Thoughts on volume pots

MattPete

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The conventional wisdom is that 250k volume pots smooth out the highs, whereas 500k (and 1meg) let more of the highs through. Recently, I was swapping pickups in my Flying V, and the Seth was a bit too bright. So I wired in a switch to the volume pot that allowed me to externally switch a resistor in-or-out. Sure enough, 250k was smoother and 500k was brighter. Both were usable in their own ways, so I'd figure I'd replace the volume pot with a push-pull that could allow me to do this on the fly.

After many pickup and magnet swaps, I finally settled on a Seth bridge with an UO A5. I had a 250k push-pull pot lying around (I had some 500ks that would arrive a few days later), so I decided to use that until the 500ks came in. I wired it up so that it would add (or remove) a 250k resistor in between the pot and ground (i.e. in series with the pot). This meant that it would behave like a 250k or 500k volume pot (except the 500k could never be turned down all the way).

Sure enough, it worked, in that I could never turn the volume pot all the way down in the 500k setting. But, perceptually there was no difference when switching the resistor in-and-out. I tried different amps, clean, dirty. I was stumped, so I waited on my 500k pots.

The 500k pots arrived, and I wired it so that it would add a 500k resistor in parallel (outer lugs) to the pot. I tested it before it went into the guitar, and it seemed good to go: with the switch in one position, there was 500k resistance between input and ground, and with it in the other position, there was 250k.

Perceptually, I could hear no difference. WTF?

Next I grabbed my PRS Soapbar SE and used alligator clips to jumper a 500k pot between the outer lugs of the volume pot. This allowed me to have a 500k volume (unclipped), 250k (parallel with external pot set to 500k), and inifinitesmally small resistance. Frankly, it wasn't until I cranked the external pot down into the 80k range -- which means the parallel resistance was around 70k -- that I could hear a difference.


Now I'm scratching my head. What was it that I did when I originally wired up the external switch to cause the tone to change? Could I have been doing it correctly all along, and the effect is pickup-specific, such that a pickup with a relatively flat curve is largely unaffected, whereas one with a high resonant peak (at least one in the auditory range) is highly affected?


P.S. For what it's worth, the V's volume has been changed to the 50s mod (I'm not sure if I had made the change before or after the first test) and the PRS has the stock treble bleed on the volume.
 
Re: Thoughts on volume pots

'Outer lugs' is wrong. Between input of pickup (middle lug) and ground of pot.
 
Re: Thoughts on volume pots

When the pot is full up, the input-outer and output-middle have zero resistance, so connecting the parallel resistor to them is electrically equivalent.
 
Re: Thoughts on volume pots

When the pot is full up, the input-outer and output-middle have zero resistance, so connecting the parallel resistor to them is electrically equivalent.

You have nothing to lose by trying what hamerfan and GuitarDoc are suggesting. See what difference (if any) it makes.

One thing to remember about pots is that their nominal DC resistance value is precisely that - nominal. Manufacturing tolerances can be very wide, especially at the less expensive end of the market. As an owner of two PRS SE model guitars, I can vouch for the fact that their Asian-sourced pots leave something to be desired. I upgraded to American-made pots.
 
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I just tried the various lugs on my two guitars with backplates (PRS Soapbar SE and a Gibson SG).

As I expected, center vs. outer didn't matter if the pot was on 10. I also really didn't hear much of a difference. It was most noticeable in the neck position of my SG (SethN with an A5), but it was very slight.

Are my ears shot, or am I the only one who's not hearing much of a difference?
 
Re: Thoughts on volume pots

What you did originally was correct. Outside lugs for doing a "load comparison". But you aren't alone. I didn't hear much difference either. Here's the load test that I did:

load_test01.png


(You can omit the "tone circuit" if desired.)

This lets you vary the load from 1.1M, all the way down to 100k. I turned the pot almost all the way down before I could notice any treble roll-off. Its an interesting test for hearing pot-load-effect in real time.
 
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Artie: I'm glad that I'm not alone. I used a 500k (read around 550k) to bridge the volume pots. This allowed me to have 500k (no jumper) and 250-0k (jumpered and turned up or down). I had to turn the pot *way* down to hear a difference.

A while back I thought about turning the volume pot into a loading pot (i.e. rheostat instead of voltage divider), but I remember you posting years ago that you found it to be a lot less useful than expected.
 
Re: Thoughts on volume pots

What you did originally was correct. Outside lugs for doing a "load comparison". But you aren't alone. I didn't hear much difference either. Here's the load test that I did:

load_test01.png


(You can omit the "tone circuit" if desired.)

This lets you vary the load from 1.1M, all the way down to 100k. I turned the pot almost all the way down before I could notice any treble roll-off. Its an interesting test for hearing pot-load-effect in real time.


you have a cap connecting a cap?
 
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