Today, I crossed a major threshold in my musical journey...

some_dude

Raging BB Gunologist
Me, the guy who loves amp distortion, preferred to plug strait in and has hated anything to do with getting buzz out of a box, is now using a fuzzbox as the main source of my dirt.

It's been coming for awhile now. It started more or less exactly the moment the Electric Amp arrived, but it's been a slow and painful learning experience. The hardest thing was getting past certain hangups I have... such as knowing that a 30 foot cable sounds best for me, that a certain EQ shape works best for me, and (perhaps most importantly) that the amp's natural sound is better than that of any pedal.

So, once I simply forgot everything I thought I knew about tone, it all sorta fell together.

The amp is running at about quarter gain, which is just below where the preamp fully saturates and won't increase in volume. The master volume is as high as I can stand it, and the treble is set way higher than I would've ever thought I'd ever put it (yet surprisingly there's no icepick). Two 10 foot cables, plus the stuff on the board. My guitar volumes are typically between 2 and 8, and tone is 10 (neck) and just bit over 7 (bridge).

The hardest effect to dial in was the Soul-Bender. I pretty much hated that pedal from the moment I first plugged it in... it sounded buzzy with the gain up, dead with the gain down, and had a honky/boxy midrange that I hated. I honestly thought the thing sounded like sh*t and couldn't figure out what people liked about it. I still don't honestly know how I sorted it out, but as of today that pedal sounds great. I'm using it for my 'generic' distortion tones (although by generic, I mean strait out of the 70s rock and roll), and the '70's fuzz for a more chaotic/wild distortion tone. Thanks to the EQ change and running shorter cables I finally struck a balance across the strings, so the high strings aren't being buried by the low strings anymore.

The best part about this whole thing is the cleans. They're f*cking fantastic. So fat and warm I could play using just them for hours (and have, probably to the irritation of everyone living in a half mile radius). They sound so good that I feel somewhat guilty kicking a fuzz box on; however, sometimes you just some loud ass dirt to get your point across.

As a bit of a side effect to all this my tone has become much more raw sounding than it's been in years. My guitar is sounding much more punk than metal, and honestly it's a nice change. I like metal and all, but punk is my roots and the tone just feels right.

Anyway, to sum up... I'm really happy. Now lets hope it holds out.


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Me, the guy who loves amp distortion, preferred to plug strait in and has hated anything to do with getting buzz out of a box,

That's been my situation as well, ever since I bought a decent amp. I had a few distortion boxes when all I had was a crappy practice amp, but I sold them when I got my Ampeg over 10 years ago.

Who knows, maybe someday I'll find a pedal that I like.
 
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What happened to Screaming_Daisy??

Glad you've made that leap!

I think I'm still in your shadow... My pedalboard consists of my footswitch and a tuner. Then again I'm using a Rockerverb 100 so a dirt pedal doesn't make as much sense for me.

How do you like the Electric cab? How does it compare to your Orange 4x12?
 
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I've been doing a lot of experimenting with the order of my distortion effects. If I put my '69 right after the Wah it sounds alot brighter than if I have it at the end of the chain. Also, I have my chorus after my wah and distortion effects - not before the wah as you seem to be using it.

The order I use is: tuner > wah wah > Satchurator > Rat > Jemini > 69 or TS-808 > CE-2 Chorus > DL4 Delay > Verbzilla > amps.

If I put the 69 or TS-808 in front of the Satch they sound a lot brighter and the 69 sounds fizzier.

I'm still experimenting. Sometimes I'll remove the TS-808 or 69 from the board altogether.
 
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some dude: you must be the most tone-snobbish punk out there. :D

Lew, have you tried your TU-2 after your other pedals in the chain? There is a buffer in that one which can alter the sound a bit through the other boxes, undetermined if it's a positive or negative effect though..
 
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What happened to Screaming_Daisy??

Glad you've made that leap!

I think I'm still in your shadow... My pedalboard consists of my footswitch and a tuner. Then again I'm using a Rockerverb 100 so a dirt pedal doesn't make as much sense for me.

How do you like the Electric cab? How does it compare to your Orange 4x12?

When I use my Rockerverb 50, it's still strait in... or it just gets a wah. The amp doesn't really need anything else, but it's a totally different sound.

The Electric cab is nice. It's built like a vintage Orange cab. The speakers in (Eminence Man-O-Wars) are great for clean and overdrive, but they start to track really slow if they get fed too much gain/too compressed a signal.

I've been doing a lot of experimenting with the order of my distortion effects. If I put my '69 right after the Wah it sounds alot brighter than if I have it at the end of the chain. Also, I have my chorus after my wah and distortion effects - not before the wah as you seem to be using it.

'70 is after the Octafuzz so that I can double up the fuzz on the octave effect and make it nastier if I want to.

I put the vibe before the wah because it's sensitive to input levels. If I put it first inline it functions normally all the time, but if I put it after the wah and turn the wah on it flattens out and sounds more phasery with little depth to the throb.

some dude: you must be the most tone-snobbish punk out there. :D

Just because I don't care what other people think doesn't mean I don't care what I think. ;)
 
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Yeah, I don't find myself using my board too much. It's usually just a strat, LP, or 335 plugged right into the Bogner Ecstasy.

A couple months ago, I met the owner of Colossal Cable, and he graciously gave me a $130 16ft cable that's so transparent, it's like using a 1 ft Monster Cable. A guitar with the Colossal Cable into the XTC is versatile and toneful purity at it's best.

Plus, the Bogner just got retubed using suggestions from Myles Rose, and I'm stoked. I still need to meet up with him and have him blueprint my amp....he offered me what he normally charges guys like Brad Paisley and Jerry Cantrell hundreds of dollars to do.
 
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i crossed through your moms major threshold last night....mmmm...
 
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Yeah, I don't find myself using my board too much. It's usually just a strat, LP, or 335 plugged right into the Bogner Ecstasy.

A couple months ago, I met the owner of Colossal Cable, and he graciously gave me a $130 16ft cable that's so transparent, it's like using a 1 ft Monster Cable. A guitar with the Colossal Cable into the XTC is versatile and toneful purity at it's best.

Plus, the Bogner just got retubed using suggestions from Myles Rose, and I'm stoked. I still need to meet up with him and have him blueprint my amp....he offered me what he normally charges guys like Brad Paisley and Jerry Cantrell hundreds of dollars to do.


Im well aware of blueprinting an engine, but never heard of blueprinting an amp.. WTH???
And, What pray tell could be done to improve a freakin Bogner??

I have a pretty busy pedal board, but have refrained from using most for awhile now.. trying to improve chops and not hide behind sounds. However, I think to get the tones I want, im gonna need to pull some out and get a few I dont have. Compressor, delay..
 
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i like using a pedal for my distortion, either my mxr classic or metalzone. the reason being that, despite the fact that i like using my volume and tone knobs, i have a single channel amp and like having a good clean(dirty-ish) tone.
 
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I don't know if I can call it a pedal or not, but it arrived.

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My rig is now complete. Forever. Or atleast until I get the next big idea anyway...

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I was always an amp overdrive kind of guy too. But lately I've been getting a kick out of dividing the overdrive duty between and amp and a pedal. I mean I'll use the overdrive channel of the amp, turn the gain down, and use an overdrive pedal, also with the gain at a moderate level to make up the difference. Sometimes the pedal actually fattens the tone up and adds more sustain than would have been possible with the amp alone.

Of course this generally only works with pedal that sounds pretty decent.
 
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Be careful...you'll soon find that there is NOTHING that can even come close to tape echo...I almost always stayed away from delay and echo effects but after getting my Echoplex I almost never turn it off!

Nice rig BTW...
 
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a fulltone fan I presume.

I'm kinda on the same journey with you...to a certain extent.

I adore the sound of the Mark IV I used to have, however since I don't have that and am surrounded by clean amps, I had to work with what I had and am enjoying the results thereof.

My board consists of....Ernie Ball Volume-TS9-Fulldrive-DD-5-DL4...with a TU-2 from the tuner-out of the volume.... I need the clyde wah and the keeley comp....with some other toys thrown in there too. :)
 
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Be careful...you'll soon find that there is NOTHING that can even come close to tape echo...I almost always stayed away from delay and echo effects but after getting my Echoplex I almost never turn it off!

I like it because the first repeat is loud, yet the rest of the repeats drop in volume quickly and don't mud up your dry signal. It's the best delay I've ever used when it comes to staying out of my way.... which of course leads to never wanting to turn it off. :D

Nice rig BTW...

Thanks.

a fulltone fan I presume.

I prefer the term "fanboy".

Seriously though, I have a bunch of non-Fulltone stuff too, but the stuff Fulltone makes just seems to sit perfectly with this amp. I decided there was no sense in fighting it, and the all top mounted jack thing is kinda nice.

I'm kinda on the same journey with you...to a certain extent.

I adore the sound of the Mark IV I used to have, however since I don't have that and am surrounded by clean amps, I had to work with what I had and am enjoying the results thereof.

I still miss the sound of my old Rectifier. I've almost bought a Roadster a couple of times now. What stops me is that I've grown attached to big, fat sorta clean overdrive tones, and when I do plug into one (or any other high gain amp) I realize I don't miss how compressed and thin all that gain makes me sound.

Although it is really fun to go chugga chugga chugga on one ever once in a while.
 
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i agree with the fat/clean overdriven sounds... I've been getting that with the AC30 I've been using, and it sounds great.
 
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