Treble bleeds should be a standard.....

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Appears to have been deleted. If someone had a flame-out in it, insulting other people, then the moderators might have trashed it. Would have been better to just trash the offending posts, IMHO.
 
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Thread that start out as belligerent as that usually go only 1 way.
 
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Be careful. Treble bleeds act as a taper changer if not chosen well.

The other common use of a treble bleed is the bright Cap in Fender amps. Generally makes things obnoxiously trebly as you turn down.
 
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The simple one (cap only) is the obnoxiously bright one. Way too much treble passed through.

You then go for a cap+resistor in series or parallel. One of them is the pot taper killer. Can't remember which as I find treble bleed worse than without.
 
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Yep....thats ringing a bell. The parallel would start to affect pot taper now I think on it, because as you adjust the vol down the fixed resistor would work on the variable pot resistance more.
 
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I'd suggest getting a few different resistors and capacitors to really tune it to your preference.

(I need to do the same with one of my HB loaded Strats)
 
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FWIW - My recollection of the original thread was that some players felt the PRS stock treble bleed was the most natural/transparent. (I don't own a PRS and don't currently use treble bleeds, so I can't speak to it. I use 50's wiring to brighten things up.)
 
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beaubrummels said:
FWIW - My recollection of the original thread was that some players felt the PRS stock treble bleed was the most natural/transparent. (I don't own a PRS and don't currently use treble bleeds, so I can't speak to it. I use 50's wiring to brighten things up.)
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I like the PRS method. Three out of my four PRS guitars have it.

It's very simple. Just a tiny 180 pf. cap across the input and output of the volume control.

No resistor. Just a 180 pf. cap.

Works beautifully with humbuckers.

Not too bright...not too crisp. And doesn't adversely affect the volume pot's taper.

All it does is retain some treble when the volume's turned down.
 
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I have been using this non-standard version of a treble bleed, minus the "R1" taper resistor. The idea behind this is when the tone control is on 10, the treble bleed acts like a regular one, but when you turn down the tone control it will reduce the treble bleed effect.

Wiring diagram came from this post at MLP: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109923

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A lot of guitarists come to believe that no treble bleed can have a consistent taper, but it's been shown that with the right values, you can get it http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5317/treble-bleed-circuit

Part of the problem is that the values have to be tweaked slightly depending on the pickups. The treble bleed is interactive with the pickup, so values that work well with a hot bridge might not work as well for a cool neck, or both pickups in parallel or series.
 
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Yep.....linear taper vol pots are a no-no. Its no wonder you thought all 1 meg pots irrespective of position would make things more dark than a 500k or 250k pot turned to the same K.
 
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My Carvin dc125(single-pickup volume-only) came with a standard treble-bleed. IIRC it was the same value/scheme as with PRS models.
 
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If6Was9 said:
I have been using this non-standard version of a treble bleed, minus the "R1" taper resistor. The idea behind this is when the tone control is on 10, the treble bleed acts like a regular one, but when you turn down the tone control it will reduce the treble bleed effect.

Wiring diagram came from this post at MLP: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109923

BestWiring2.jpg
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I have tried that one but similarly liked it without R1 in there. It does makes you fiddle around with the volume & tone controls a bit more. It does affect the overall sound a bit more though than the usual variations, fine tuning the values does help.

I still went back the kinman version though since i don't play with the tone knob too much.

Edit: alligator clips are a big help when trying different values of resistors or capacitors.
 
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My JS6 has one, and it's got stock electronics. I find it very useful!
 
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All the Satriani guitars have a 330pF treble bleed capacitor that can be switched in (or out) using the push-pull switch on the volume pot. Its almost twice the size of the PRS 180pF cap.
 
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Teleplayer said:
All the Satriani guitars have a 330pF treble bleed capacitor that can be switched in (or out) using the push-pull switch on the volume pot. Its almost twice the size of the PRS 180pF cap.
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Which would result in a brighter tone than 180 pf and would be the reason to switch the 300 pf cap in or out of the circuit: it would be too bright if left on all of the time.
 
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PFDarkside said:
I'd suggest getting a few different resistors and capacitors to really tune it to your preference.

(I need to do the same with one of my HB loaded Strats)
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The Kinman (.001uf/130k) has been the only mod which has given me a good taper (with linear pot) and good sound so far.

A .001uf cap only didn't taper for me. I ordered a set of caps in the <1000pf range so I might try those too.
 
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Treble bleed circuit will be included as standard on the Fender American Stratocaster "Professional" in 2017.

I wonder if they use a similar circuit to the Fender tone saver product.
 
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