Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

[liquid_j]

I've been struggling with this thing for days now. I matched the wiring "color-for-color" and I don't think it's correct. I've been scouring the web looking for a wiring diagram for the DH-1 and can't find one anywhere, so I don't know what's hot, ground, etc.
Plus, it's a 2000 Am Deluxe HSS fat strat with one of those totally intimidating-looking 5-way switches with two rows of 12 lugs, so most "standard" wiring diagrams don't make any sense (at least not to a novice like me).

Can someone explain wht I need to do (and tell me like I'm ten years old)?

Thanks SO MUCH in advance - it started as a fun little side project but now this thing is making me want to jump out the effing window!!!

:yell:

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

You're ten years old :laugh2:

Now that that's out of the way. First of all, you can't match it colour for colour. Fender and SD use different colour schemes. This is obligatory under law to annoy guitarists. Describe what wires you have on the DH-1 at the moment, and the setup you had before swapping it in.

Edit: or I could just look at the fender site for the strat default setup details :smack:

Edit #2: I'm confused... do you want to replace the DH-1 with the JB?

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

And, of course, Fender's site doesn't have specs for the 2000 model, just the newer S-1. Well, if you can describe the current pickups in the neck and middle, their wire colours, and where they go, I should be able to figure out what do with the bridge.

Edit #4,506: Found the wiring diagrams!!!! http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/pdfs/ADFATSTRAT/SD0101100CPg2.pdf

Now, assuming you want to replace the DH-1 with a JB, I _should_ be able to do a diagram. I can't do it now, but I'll be free in an hour or two, so I'll give it a shot then.

 

[liquid_j]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Yes, I am indeed trying to replace the DH-1 with a new JB...

Well, let me see...compared to that diagram, my wiring is pretty much exactly the same as in the "Switch Detail" at the lower left. I elminated a tone knob and installed a killswitch long ago, so some of my tone knob wires are different but the neck and middle white wires are attatched to the switch to those lugs indicated in the diagram (the only other wires from the neck and middle pickups are blue and both lead to the volume pot).

Thank you SO SO SO MUCH for your time and attention!!!

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Ok, got it. I'll start on the diagram now, and knock out a tone pot (and add a kill switch). Might take about an hour, as I tend to get interrupted around here, but I should be able to get it done.

Also, when you say the blue wires from the neck pickups lead to the volume pot, I'm assuming that they're just soldered straight to the pot.

And keep in mind, there may be some slight differences in my diagram, because there's more efficient ways to do things than Fender's way.

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Er, I do need to ask... exactly how does your remaining tone knob function? You can run the bridge pickup and the single coils through the same ones, because the remaining pot will be either 250K or 500K. Well you can a humbucker through a 250K (or vice versa), but it's not ideal. Single coils work best with 250K's, and 'buckers with 500K's. If you could explain what exactly you've done with the remaining tone pot, I can finish the diagram.

 

[liquid_j]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Damn, thanks again.

Right you are, blue neck and middle wires soldered stright to the volume pot.

Looking forward to finally getting this beast buttoned up - what a week this has been trying to get it done... :sigh:

 

[liquid_j]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Ok, I don't really understand what's happening in there, but I'll try to outline it as best I can (god, it's criminal how little I understand about an instrument I play so much):

First off, I don't know if it's a 500k or 250k tone pot - there doesn't seem to be any indication on the casing. It IS the stock Fender pot and is the lower one (furthest from the strings) that I left on, if that means anything.

Now the wiring...

Volume pot:
lug one has one wire to the output jack and another to the killswitch
lug two has one wire to the pickup selector, and another to a lug on the tone pot

There's a few black wires soldered from the Vol pot casing that I assume are for grounding purposes - one to the trem claw, one to the output jack, another to the pup cavity. There's one to a lug on the the pickup selector, (don't know what that might be for) and finally, there's a wire from the vol pot casing that splits off to the killswitch and the tone pot casing.

Whew...I think I got them all...

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Ok, this is fairly important info. Let me summarize a few things.

1. The tone pot furthurest from the strings is the bridge tone, so it'd be 500K. If you want to have tone control for all the pickups, you either need two tone pots, or a double pot such as the one Allparts sell. My recommendation is to leave it, use it for the bridge tone, and leave the single coils without a tone pot. They can generally do better without one than a humbucker (IMO). If you really want tone for all pickups, we'll have to find another solution.

2. If there's a wire from the cavity to the vol pot, that means the cavity is probably shielded. Therefore, I'd recommend eliminating ground loops, which can help with noise. I'll do this in the diagram, it'll mean a bit more rewiring but it will be worth it.

Anyhow, there's a diagram attached. Take a look, if you have any questions, ask. The perspective is from the bottom. The round grey blobs are solder points. As an important note. I know the large numbers of wires are confusing and fuzzy but use the zoom button and they should clear up. Note the little grey blobs, which indicate soldering points. These points don't actually neccesarily have to be soldered, but I put them there so that you know where connections are and where wires connect. So if wires of the same colour intersect, they aren't connected unless there's a solder point. Hope this makes sense. White wires are rendered in a light grey. Also, the tone pot and switch would be in opposite locations, but I had already drawn them when I saw your reply. Just reverse their physical location in your head. Good luck, and if you need help, just ask.

Edit: new diagram uploaded.

 

[liquid_j]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Wow, thanks - that's awesome!

It all looks pretty clear, but just so I'm sure I'm seeing it right - the black wire from the JB goes to two lugs on the switch and then on from there to the tone pot?
I'm sure it's something obvious and I just can't think of it, but how do you do that? Would I wire to one lug, use a small piece of wire to the second lug, then another long wire from the second lug to the tone pot? Probably a dumb question, but why stop now, right?

Edit: your diagram shows a black wire from the vol pot casing to the (counting down from top) third lug on the right side of the pup selector. Currently, mine is soldered to the same lug, but on the left side. Is it ok to leave it there, or should I move it over?
Don't know if it changes anything, but there is a small jumper wire from the third lug on the right to the second lug on the left...it's in Fender's diagram too.
Edit #2: Just noticed that (again on the right side of the switch, this time counting from the bottom) right now I've got a jumper across lugs 4,5 and 6, and another from lug 6 to lug 8 - will I remove those?

Ditto for a jumper (again, right side) joining the first to the last?

Just checking on both counts. So many questions - sorry. Hope this makes sense.

Thanks again - I'll let you know how it goes!

 

[Artie]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

If you want to have tone control for all the pickups, you either need two tone pots, or a double pot such as the one Allparts sell.

I just wanted to add one comment: if he wants a tone control for all the pups, its just a matter of connecting the tone pot to the "hot" side of the volume control for a "normal" tone control, or to the center lug of the volume pot for the "50's mod".

 

[liquid_j]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

Hi again - I went by your diagram and all seems good except that A: the new bridge bucker buzzes a bit and my #2 position (should be middle and bridge) is silent.

I didn't move any of the jumper wires that I asked about in my last post, that's probably why it's still not quite there - but definitely closer than I've gotten yet! Any advice? Shouls I remove any/all of those jumpers I asked about?

Thanks so much yet again!

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

About that ground jumper that goes to the same number 3 (from the top) lug, but to the left bank. It does have to go to the same (right) bank that the white and red wires from the humbucker go to. This is important. It is partially why Bridge+Middle won't work.

Yes, the black wire from the JB goes to the two lugs and then to the tone pot. And do it like you said. The wire from the JB to one lug, another short wire to jump from there to the other lug, then a longer wire from there onto the tone pone. Do it in jumps, basically.

As for all the other jumpers. They *must* be removed. Basically, if a wire isn't on that diagram (mine, not Fender's), remove it. Good luck, let me know how it goes.

 

[fenderiarhs]

Re: Trying to swap Fender (DH-!?) for JB - HELP!??!

i have emailed you with the diagramm and the pickup color codes that should help solve the problem