Unbalanced coils - which Duncans have em?

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snarlNbutter

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Hi, I am interested in Hybrid buckers (either buy or mod it myself) but I read that they're similar to the unbalanced coils from Gibson.

I read that the PG and the Seth are made stock with unbalanced coils. Are there other stock buckers from Seymour that have unbalanced coils?

Thanks
 
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copperheadroads said:
The 59 has even coils
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Thanks. Good to know.

I'm curious about the Screamin Demon in particular actually. I wonder if its unbalanced or not.

Maybe I should email the guys at Seymour but the question kinda seems... a waste of time for them to answer lol. And maybe... too intrusive to ask???
 
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if i may clarify a little here...

a humbucker that's been put together from coils from 2 different pickups is usually referred to here as a hybrid.
these hybrids will usually (but not necessarily) have different gauges and/or types of wire on each coil, but as the coils will (most likely) not have the same number of turns on them, the pickup will (most likely) not be completely hum-cancelling.

dimarzio make dual-resonance humbuckers, which have 2 coils with different gauges of wire but the same number of turns; this forms the basis of the dual-resonance patent. you can tell which ones these are by checking the patent numbers for the different humbuckers on their web page.

some seymour duncan humbuckers have coils that are different (i'm fairly sure) in terms of the wind's exact number of turns, tension, pitch and pattern; i don't believe there are any SD pickups with 2 different types of wire (ie the coating) on one pickup.

as far as i can tell, pricing is a good indicator of which SDs are 'mis-matched' in this sense; my understanding is that the pearly gates is, and i suspect the screamin demon is as well due it's higher base price.
 
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I thought DMZ also had a patent on mismatched coils as well as dual resonance. And double cream, the letters P, A, and F used together in that order, red haired children, you name it! The Demon just has different types of screws, I think both coils are wound exactly the same.
 
Re: Unbalanced coils - which Duncans have em?

dr. ad said:
if i may clarify a little here...

a humbucker that's been put together from coils from 2 different pickups is usually referred to here as a hybrid.
these hybrids will usually (but not necessarily) have different gauges and/or types of wire on each coil, but as the coils will (most likely) not have the same number of turns on them, the pickup will (most likely) not be completely hum-cancelling.

dimarzio make dual-resonance humbuckers, which have 2 coils with different gauges of wire but the same number of turns; this forms the basis of the dual-resonance patent. you can tell which ones these are by checking the patent numbers for the different humbuckers on their web page.

some seymour duncan humbuckers have coils that are different (i'm fairly sure) in terms of the wind's exact number of turns, tension, pitch and pattern; i don't believe there are any SD pickups with 2 different types of wire (ie the coating) on one pickup.

as far as i can tell, pricing is a good indicator of which SDs are 'mis-matched' in this sense; my understanding is that the pearly gates is, and i suspect the screamin demon is as well due it's higher base price.
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Thanks for clarifying with such informative knowledge.

I figured that I'll be satisfied with unbalanced coils of the same gauge as much as unbalanced coils of different gauge (a la Hybrid) so I thought to just check out the Duncans that have unbalanced coils by stock (probably easier / cheaper road in comparison to Hybrid modding). I have a PG and I like it - tried different magnets but felt the A2 served it best - but its not exactly what I'm looking for (not bass punchy enough and I want a tad more output)

Interesting to think that the use of unbalanced coils is price based... 59s are cheaper then the Demon... but IDK. All of this sounds more like a hypothesis. Maybe I'll email the kind people at Duncan and see if they don't mind answering such a simple question... so we can know for certain

Thanks
 
Re: Unbalanced coils - which Duncans have em?

TSE said:
I thought DMZ also had a patent on mismatched coils as well as dual resonance. And double cream, the letters P, A, and F used together in that order, red haired children, you name it! The Demon just has different types of screws, I think both coils are wound exactly the same.
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I think Gibson uses unbalanced coils with their Burstbuckers.

Yah, DMZ patents too much ****... and IDK why... was any of that really truly originally his?
 
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TSE said:
I thought DMZ also had a patent on mismatched coils as well as dual resonance. And double cream, the letters P, A, and F used together in that order, red haired children, you name it! The Demon just has different types of screws, I think both coils are wound exactly the same.
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Patent on Dual Resonance only. You'll NEVER get two perfectly balanced coils, entirely too many variables.

Dmz has double creme, and PAF trademarked. Patents expire.....trademarks do not.

Luke
 
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the trademarks are a different issue.

i remember reading "exactly the same amount of turns" and "significantly different gauge" which is interesting, because i don't believe any of the 'hybrid' pickups i've read of here match those terms. it seemed surprisingly open to me..?

whether the difference between AWG 42 and 43, or 43 and 44 is significant enough is arguable, and is that only relevant if each coil's number of turns matched?
i don't think the dual resonance patent, or any of the dimarzio patents is relevant to a 59/custom hybrid or a custom/JB hybrid.

i believe gibson does have a patent relevant to the burstbuckers, but don't know much about it. i'm curious as to how different a pearly gates and a burstbucker are on paper, so to speak.

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