understanding guitar volume etc,

bluesfloyd

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hi guys,
I want to understand how you would set/use your guitar volume when playing???? also how do you setup your amp, using the bass/treble/ mid controls for best tone, thanks for your help,

all the best, bluesfloyd
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Holy crap... sadly this is one of those things... You gotta experiment and find whats right for you and your rig. The best treble, middle, bass settings on my amp probably wont be on yours. Hell im pretty sure if you plugged into my rig the controls wouldnt be set right for you.

A guitar tone is a lot like a race car and driver. There are many pieces that all work together and interact with the driver to make it happen. All are similar but dialed in very different for each persons needs. A great engine is nothing without a great chassis and its all worthless if the driver doesnt know how to drive.

Guys will storm in and give you rules and guidelines... THings like "NEVER SCOOP THE MIDS!" but there are times when its useful. Particularly if you need to step back in the mix and let the vocalist through, or if you have an extremely mid heavy set up. It all just depends on you and your situation.


The only thing I will say "There are no rules" I cant tell you how many times ive used my equipment "wrong" but it sounds great and works for me and that is all that matters.

If you are starting from nothing put all the controls half way...then just play and tweak and turn as you need.

I wish i could tell you here is the formula for great tone x+y*(2-3)=Z but it just doesnt exist.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

From an electrical standpoint, the controls on the guitar are variable filters for the signal coming from the pickups. A volume or tone "pot" is a "potentiometer", which if you look at the word, you see most of the word "potential". This is where the word "potentiometer" comes from. It restricts the potential of the signal being fed into it, much like you would restrict the flow of water using a valve (which is what's attached to the knob on your sink or shower/bathtub controls).

The volume control on your guitar determines how much overall signal from the pickups reaches the output jack, while the tone control and its associated capacitor determine how much of that signal's upper-range frequencies (treble) are allowed to reach the output jack.

Other onboard circuits may restrict or enhance treble, bass, or midrange frequencies.


The amount of signal flowing out of the pickup as defined by the volume and tone controls and into your amp from the guitar determines how the amp's circuits react to that signal. The amp's reaction to that input signal influences the amp's output signal, which, along with the design of the voice coil of the speaker, determines how the speaker reacts.

The controls on the amp itself determine the output level of the amp's circuitry as well as whether the incoming sound's bass, midrange, or treble frequencies are further enhanced or further restricted. These are the EQ controls. Every aspect of an amp serves to amplify (multiply) the incoming signal.


Obviously it goes much deeper than that, and can get ridiculously scientific if the right nerd happens along.


However, if you're asking for tips on effective use of the controls on your guitar, the basic use for them is to mix your guitar with the other instruments and not stand out excessively unless you have a solo moment.

There's no universal standard to follow. You can reduce your guitar's volume for rhythms and turn it up for solos. You can set up your amp's controls so the neck pickup is used for rhythm and the bridge pickup is for solos. You can use the neck pickup only for cleans and the bridge only for distortion.

The "why and when you would do any of that" has to be decided by you in the context of what you're playing and according to the tonal diversity of the other instruments.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

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That you like brown guitars and gray carpet... does the hardwood floor add to your tone?

Why yes, I've found that the speaker reflections off of real fine quality pergola accentuate the best frequencies of any 4x12 cabinet tone.

But you're mistaken on the colors. Neither guitars nor carpet were chosen for their color.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Holy crap... sadly this is one of those things... You gotta experiment and find whats right for you and your rig. The best treble, middle, bass settings on my amp probably wont be on yours. Hell im pretty sure if you plugged into my rig the controls wouldnt be set right for you.

Could not have bee better said.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

I mostly play Les Paul's and my volume and tone knobs change all the time. There is so much tone in a Lester that it's hard to describe. I can take an amp eq setting and keep it the same and get a multitude of tones out of my guitar just by pickup selection and adjusting the volume and control knobs.
 
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Most times i set the guitar volume one half way up and dial.in. nice clean tone on the edge of break up
Then just roll.the volume up for solos


*(Sent from my durned phone!)*
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

I'll give you the best tip I ever got on guitar and amp settings. Long time ago I had the rare opportunity to record at The Plant in Sausalito. During that session, I had the even rarer privilege to play through Carlos Santana's 1968 Plexi. The assistant engineer set everything up (of course, wouldn't let me touch it). I immediately when about studying and writing down all the settings on the amp. The engineer stopped me and said, "Don't memorize the settings. They are not going to work on any other amp. Memorize the sound. Then, no matter what amp you play through, you will recognize what's not right and be able to tweak the knobs to get it back to this sound."
 
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That you have extremely bright guitars that need the bass from the amp maxed out.

Sure about that? Don't think it could be that studio mics, the preamps, the mixing desk need those settings to sound full in the mix? Don't think it could be the room absorbs bass so it needs that? Have you considered that on certain amps, with passive EQ controls that are subtractive only, 10 is flat neutral, contributing nothing to the sound. Really so sure it's the guitars?
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

I just take my hand, flatten it parallel to the ground, then with said hand roll from left to right all 6 knobs on my amp.

Then turn the bass knob to zero.
 
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Whatever adjustments fits the situation. There are no set guidelines. Sometimes, I need to dime the bass, or treble, or mids. If I need to up the bass, it might be to balance out with the treble booster, which is giving a needed strong upper midrange push. I may cut the treble significantly at really loud volumes. Usually what sounds really awesome by itself needs tweaking to work in a mix. I remember one time, I was playing in a bar and what I thought would be low enough gain for the songs was still way too heavy compared to the rest of the band. The other guitarist also had a fuzz pedal for dirt into a scooped amp, so he really wasn't cutting through that much and he really got stomped all over by my setup (Vox+treble booster = mids), so I had to back offa bit.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Use your ears and record yourself so that you can listen to how you sound while you yourself are not playing.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Sure about that? Don't think it could be that studio mics, the preamps, the mixing desk need those settings to sound full in the mix? Don't think it could be the room absorbs bass so it needs that? Have you considered that on certain amps, with passive EQ controls that are subtractive only, 10 is flat neutral, contributing nothing to the sound. Really so sure it's the guitars?

Positive. The rest of that stuff is conjecture and internet myth.
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Post #2 pretty much said all there is to say, but.......This thread falls square into that Old Amp Joke/Proverb:
If you really want to learn about "tone", you should play an amp that has NO Markings on the face-plate. Just five (or however many) knobs with no indication of what they are for. You turn THOSE to where the amp sounds best.

It CAN be true... too often guys play with their eyes, and then worry that the Bass (or whatever knob) is on Zero, or some other meaningless number. If it sounds good on Zero.....So Be It.
Good Luck OP
 
Re: understanding guitar volume etc,

Volume's all up. Rolled down with light OD for cleans.

As for the amp...

I just walk away 5 meters from the speakers and set the EQ so that I could hear myself without being too loud. Usually, this is

A)not so bassy that it gets lost in the bassline
B)not so trebley that it gets masked by the cymbals
C)not too middy that I mask the vocalist and the other guitarist.
 
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The edge of the universe is the limit. Anything we tell you on here might prevent you from doing something unorthodox that you might really like and be able to bring something new to the table with. Just keep playing and tinkering and think about what you want from your sound.
 
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