Victory Sheriff 44 - Loop Unusable?

[ebagjones]

Hello all!

Anyone have any experience with this amp? I took possession of the Victory Sheriff 44 head today, tried it clean, sounded amazing, dimed the gain on channel two, absolutely killer unbelievable gain structure through my oversized Fane-loaded 212, kicked my Keeley Eccos on - wow, what is happening. Sounds just like it’s in front of a gained up amp. Static-y, too loud, sounds like it’s collapsing in on itself. Tried the Keeley Halo, same deal, sounded even worse. Tried my flanger and chorus without the delay, ugly pedal clipping. Tried all of these on the clean channel one settings, beautiful sounding. I know they make a big deal about these being PPIMV, does this just not work with loops? I’ve had so many amps, this can’t be the only PPIMV with an effects loop I’ve had. No matter how I tweak the settings it’s complete garbage with anything in the loop, and I’m only using modulation and delay, you know, the things that traditionally go in the loop. I’ve got this booger cranked too. I’ve been playing for over 20 years, I’ve got to believe I’m doing this right, which makes me question what was the point of putting a loop on an amp that doesn’t work when it’s gained up? You can run the whole shebang into the front of a clean amp, so why bother to put a loop that only works with clean tones?

 

[GuitarStv]

Hello all!

Anyone have any experience with this amp? I took possession of the Victory Sheriff 44 head today, tried it clean, sounded amazing, dimed the gain on channel two, absolutely killer unbelievable gain structure through my oversized Fane-loaded 212, kicked my Keeley Eccos on - wow, what is happening. Sounds just like it’s in front of a gained up amp. Static-y, too loud, sounds like it’s collapsing in on itself. Tried the Keeley Halo, same deal, sounded even worse. Tried my flanger and chorus without the delay, ugly pedal clipping. Tried all of these on the clean channel one settings, beautiful sounding. I know they make a big deal about these being PPIMV, does this just not work with loops? I’ve had so many amps, this can’t be the only PPIMV with an effects loop I’ve had. No matter how I tweak the settings it’s complete garbage with anything in the loop, and I’m only using modulation and delay, you know, the things that traditionally go in the loop. I’ve got this booger cranked too. I’ve been playing for over 20 years, I’ve got to believe I’m doing this right, which makes me question what was the point of putting a loop on an amp that doesn’t work when it’s gained up? You can run the whole shebang into the front of a clean amp, so why bother to put a loop that only works with clean tones?

I think that this information from Victory might explain what you're hearing:

Unfortunately, as the master volume on the Sheriff is a post phase splitter type, a fair amount of the amp’s overdrive comes from the phase splitter stage of the circuit, which is after the effects return stage and immediately before the power valves. This type of circuit was chosen deliberately, as the Sheriff was designed to give the overdrive sound of the non-master volume amps of yesteryear, where a great deal of the tone was generated in the output stage; with the flexibility of being able to control the volume.

They're overdriving the PI for it's gain sounds, this comes after the loop . . . so your effects all get crunchy too. You're right, it seems weird to include a loop at all if they're doing this.