I'm trying to think of ways to crank the Lead Post on my 5150 combo, because the effects loop doesn't have full effect unless the post is around 4-5. I've heard of people using EQ pedals in the loop to lower the db, but i was wondering if I could do the same thing with a 100k volume pot and 2 jacks in the loop? I've also got a rocktron Hush "The Pedal" which works really well in cutting out the hiss...only when the volume is at 4 or higher.
Volume control in effects loop
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DeadSkinSlayer3
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Re: Volume control in effects loop
I think it might work, but you wouldn't get cranked tones out of it.
Your a pretty big scandinavian metal fan, aren't you?
I think it might work, but you wouldn't get cranked tones out of it.
Your a pretty big scandinavian metal fan, aren't you?
Re: Volume control in effects loop
Haha good eye. The future of metal lies across the ocean!
I'm not looking to get the cranked amp tone, i just want to get my post gain knob up on 5 so the effects loop will work, hence, so my noise reduction will work. The 5150 combo has a LOT of hiss when used with high gain.
Haha good eye. The future of metal lies across the ocean!
I'm not looking to get the cranked amp tone, i just want to get my post gain knob up on 5 so the effects loop will work, hence, so my noise reduction will work. The 5150 combo has a LOT of hiss when used with high gain.
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DeadSkinSlayer3
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Yes...I read the "hush pedal" and immediately thought of Arch Enemy, they use 5150's and Hush pedals. How does that pedal work, BTW? I need a noise gate, and use an XXX..similar to the 5150.
Yes...I read the "hush pedal" and immediately thought of Arch Enemy, they use 5150's and Hush pedals. How does that pedal work, BTW? I need a noise gate, and use an XXX..similar to the 5150.
Re: Volume control in effects loop
Guy, although I'm not 100% sure, your post gain shouldn't have anything to do with your fX loop gain ... something sounds wrong or needs repair their ... have it checked out ... Now if it's a preamp output/power amp input arrangement ...well tht would make sense, although most will still drive pedals at 1 (0~10), and racks at about 2.5 to 3. Something doesn't sound right there, but I'll take your word that it's happening ...Yes you can use a pot (preferably the same value and power rating as the post gain pot itself), wired as a volume control (just like you would with a volume pedal) ... and put it after your effects so that you turn the volume down after the effects have gotten the level that they want to see.
Here's is the problem though ... If the problem is after the loop, and turning up the post again (without cutting the volume post FX) is masking it, and making it seem like the loop isn't getting enough send, when it may not be getting enough return. If you've got racks with level led level ladders on them check them and see what they tell you about the level coming into them.
Warheart said:
Guy, although I'm not 100% sure, your post gain shouldn't have anything to do with your fX loop gain ... something sounds wrong or needs repair their ... have it checked out ... Now if it's a preamp output/power amp input arrangement ...well tht would make sense, although most will still drive pedals at 1 (0~10), and racks at about 2.5 to 3. Something doesn't sound right there, but I'll take your word that it's happening ...Yes you can use a pot (preferably the same value and power rating as the post gain pot itself), wired as a volume control (just like you would with a volume pedal) ... and put it after your effects so that you turn the volume down after the effects have gotten the level that they want to see.
Here's is the problem though ... If the problem is after the loop, and turning up the post again (without cutting the volume post FX) is masking it, and making it seem like the loop isn't getting enough send, when it may not be getting enough return. If you've got racks with level led level ladders on them check them and see what they tell you about the level coming into them.
Re: Volume control in effects loop
No, the Amp WORKS FINE. I've also discussed this on the Peavey form a fair bit as well, trying to find a solution. The 5150 amp is setup so that you have to have the post gain for whatever channel you're using on 5 to get the full use out of the effects loop. Perhaps the signal send and return are at their full capacity when the amp is up that loud. thats my problem. The amp gets too much hiss at low levels, and my pedal is too strong to get rid of the hiss without affecting the tone. I guess this might have something to do with Eddie's usage of Ohm attenuators or something. Either that, or My Hush "The Pedal" noise silencer, is too strong. Even on the lowest threshold setting, I have to have my amp's post cranked up to 3 for it to get rid of some hiss and even then, it slightly alters the tone. A 5150, with the Lead pre at 8 and the post at 3, is TOO BLOODY LOUD for home use. Cranking the amp up on 4.5-5, lets me set the threshold on the Hush Pedal at about 70-80%, with no tone change. I haven't had the amp past 4 for jam and show situations. I don't have any effects pedals in the loop, only the Hush Pedal. I just need to find some way to make the amp quiet when theres no guitar, and I'm thinking that this volume control might be a slightly more affordable option than a THD hotplate.
DeadSkin:
I really like the Hush Pedal. It works really well at what it does. but you can't use it on the floor in front of your amp or it will colour your tone. I don't know if your XXX Head has the same effects loop thing happening that my 5150 combo does, but if you're looking to get rid of some amp hiss from high gain, it should work for you, Give it a shot. I also recently picked up a Vox Wah because of Arch Enemy. It sounds incredible! next up: Digitech Digidelay! Michael Arnott knows what he's doing!
Kent S. said:
No, the Amp WORKS FINE. I've also discussed this on the Peavey form a fair bit as well, trying to find a solution. The 5150 amp is setup so that you have to have the post gain for whatever channel you're using on 5 to get the full use out of the effects loop. Perhaps the signal send and return are at their full capacity when the amp is up that loud. thats my problem. The amp gets too much hiss at low levels, and my pedal is too strong to get rid of the hiss without affecting the tone. I guess this might have something to do with Eddie's usage of Ohm attenuators or something. Either that, or My Hush "The Pedal" noise silencer, is too strong. Even on the lowest threshold setting, I have to have my amp's post cranked up to 3 for it to get rid of some hiss and even then, it slightly alters the tone. A 5150, with the Lead pre at 8 and the post at 3, is TOO BLOODY LOUD for home use. Cranking the amp up on 4.5-5, lets me set the threshold on the Hush Pedal at about 70-80%, with no tone change. I haven't had the amp past 4 for jam and show situations. I don't have any effects pedals in the loop, only the Hush Pedal. I just need to find some way to make the amp quiet when theres no guitar, and I'm thinking that this volume control might be a slightly more affordable option than a THD hotplate.
DeadSkin:
I really like the Hush Pedal. It works really well at what it does. but you can't use it on the floor in front of your amp or it will colour your tone. I don't know if your XXX Head has the same effects loop thing happening that my 5150 combo does, but if you're looking to get rid of some amp hiss from high gain, it should work for you, Give it a shot. I also recently picked up a Vox Wah because of Arch Enemy. It sounds incredible! next up: Digitech Digidelay! Michael Arnott knows what he's doing!
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Re: Volume control in effects loop
Well, in that case you have a poor design in my opinion ... Shnook mentioned that she had heard that the FX loop in the 5150's was kinda *hinky* as well. Man, I don't know what to tell you, except what I did ... If you can turn up the post to get the signal level you need, and then use a *volume control* to cut the level afterwards, ...Well, then there is your answer.
However, if the hiss is after that point, other than using a preamp output and power amp input with noise suppression, you are pretty much stuck ... If it's still that noisy, then the problem may be in the power amp itself, and/or power conditioning entering the amp.
Try the volume control after the hush, and see if it's helps (BTW 100K or so, maybe even down to 10k may do you ... really hard to tell from here).
Well, in that case you have a poor design in my opinion ... Shnook mentioned that she had heard that the FX loop in the 5150's was kinda *hinky* as well. Man, I don't know what to tell you, except what I did ... If you can turn up the post to get the signal level you need, and then use a *volume control* to cut the level afterwards, ...Well, then there is your answer.
However, if the hiss is after that point, other than using a preamp output and power amp input with noise suppression, you are pretty much stuck ... If it's still that noisy, then the problem may be in the power amp itself, and/or power conditioning entering the amp.
Try the volume control after the hush, and see if it's helps (BTW 100K or so, maybe even down to 10k may do you ... really hard to tell from here).
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haha yeah, its kinda messed. I'm not sure if the 5150 head is the same way...I hope not, cause if i upgrade to that and find out its the exact same problem, that'd suck.
I think I'll give it a shot with a 250 k pot. just a little scrap piece volume control test, if that works, I'll go premium gear.
Thanks for the help!
haha yeah, its kinda messed. I'm not sure if the 5150 head is the same way...I hope not, cause if i upgrade to that and find out its the exact same problem, that'd suck.
I think I'll give it a shot with a 250 k pot. just a little scrap piece volume control test, if that works, I'll go premium gear.
Thanks for the help!
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DeadSkinSlayer3
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Re: Volume control in effects loop
Yeah, mine doesn't have that issue, it has send/return volume controls though. I thought it was Michael Amott?? Oh well...
Yeah, mine doesn't have that issue, it has send/return volume controls though. I thought it was Michael Amott?? Oh well...
