Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Jermo3178

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I am considering starting to record ideas, tracks and such of my own. I have never done this, or been around anyone who does. I don't know ANYTHING about it.. (equipment, software, how to get it from point a to point b, etc..) In fact, I have only been inside a studio during our 2 different demo albums.

So with that being said, where do I start? Looking to mainly just record me, but wouldnt mind maybe recording the whole band in a "live" setting. Keep in mind, I'm just looking to dabble to see if I even like it. If I do, I'll advance as needed. If not, I don't want to have to unload $$$$$'s in equipment and things.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Be careful man, you're about opening Pandora's box for yourself :)

A quick run-through for a start:

0. For reaching even the lowest level of satisfaction in your recordings you'll have to unload some $$$ on gear that do their jobs well. Otherwise, your recording attempts will be a series of dead ends.

1. You need a DAW. These days all mainsteam and not so mainstream recroding softwares do quite a decent job. The only limit is your $$$ and the platform that you prefer. I don't want to go too deeply into it and overload you with (at this point) unnecessary info but for PC take a look at Reaper. For MAC check out Garage Band (or Reaper, it's multiplatform).

2. You need a decent audio interface. If you don't have one all of your projects will be haunted by latency, noise, glitch, dropout and in general, quality issues. Doomed, sort of. A simple audio interface saves you from it as it just does its job: fulfils the full duplex principle (simultaneous playback / recording), has low latency, stabile driver and usually decent line / microphone preamps. Check Focusrite 2i2 or Line6 UX2, PODstudio and the like. They should give a nice consistent performance, if something goes wrong in your mix you can be sure the interface is not the weak link.

3. You don't want to record a full band at this point. If you want a good result in this application not just doing some **** somehow, you'll need a big audio interface with at least 8 microphone ins, 8 microphones (of course), 8 mic stands, cables and some extenisve experience of how to set up mics properly, room acoustics, acoustic separation, reflection damping etc etc. For a decent result you must handle all of this on a good level. It means a lot of traps and money burn that you don't want to step into. Not yet. You need experience first. Use a simple stable 2in-2out interface and 2 mics to learn the basics as well as using DIY problem solvers like using simple blankets as reflection absorbers, put the ripped stockings of your girlfriend on some large ring as a pop filter for vocals, etc etc. Most of the time it is all about running into some issue and thinking then working around it. You need no money for that.

4. You need your machine optimised. http://global.focusrite.com/answerbase/search/optimise

5. You need some decent monitors. Without going too sky-high with prices, look around the $100 range, read reviews, ask people about their experiences around. If you mix your stuff on hi-fi speakers they will divert you from an optimal balance as they colour the sound heavily. All of them. Monitors don't colour the sound (so much, to be exact) and they react rather neutral so they reveal a somewhat usable average of how the material will sound on various listening gear in the real world. Check entry M-Audio monitors and AKG K141 headphones. Don't suspect some super high listening experience. Maybe a lot of albums will sound crap through them. But, well, that's the truth revealed. They are about mirroring not enhancing. Once you have them your ears need to "learn" them. Listen to a lot of tracks through them that you know, analyse what you heard use the tracks that you know as reference when you mix a track of yours.

6. You need one multi purpose microphone (or preferably two different ones, if you want to record stereo you need two similar ones). For recording decent guitars they are not essential to have (as you can just plug your guitar directly into your audio interface and use Line6, Amplitube, Peavey ReValver etc amp sim on the clean signal) but so is the experience with them if you want to develop. Starting recording means starting experimenting all the time. If you are serious about that, gaining a lot of experience with microphones is essential. Check Shure SM57 and Rode M3. The Shure is an industry standard for a good reason, the Rode is a great multi purpose budget microphone.

Finally check Ola's tutorials. A lot of practical hints and it's very straight to the point:

 
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Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Wow... thanks for the info. As previously stated, I didn't know where to begin. And still not sure so to speak..(I saw DAW, and said WTF? In who's face? lol).. But I got the jist of what you're saying. I did realize I was going to have to drop some mullah.. I just don't want thousands in it, and it be a failed endeavor.
And I'm not even ready to begin this project... I'm still wanting to finish a couple things. Just getting a basic idea of what to look for and where to get started.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

What smartphone or iPad-type devices do you own? There are apps for these devices that would get you started for modest cost. Such apps should continue to serve as notepad demo recorders well after the time when you have graduated to more advanced, multi-track recording equipment.
 
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If you're running a Mac, GarageBand is a good *starting* place for a DAW. It's friendly, and it lets you screw up, but it doesn't throw a fit when you do.

An inexpensive two or 4 channel interface will work when you're getting used to the process, and you can wait until you're ready to record the rest of the band to get a larger rig, while still using the small rig for your personal sketchpad.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

What smartphone or iPad-type devices do you own? There are apps for these devices that would get you started for modest cost. Such apps should continue to serve as notepad demo recorders well after the time when you have graduated to more advanced, multi-track recording equipment.

ATM I have a moto droid razr m... it was 99 cents lol
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

If you're running a Mac, GarageBand is a good *starting* place for a DAW. It's friendly, and it lets you screw up, but it doesn't throw a fit when you do.

An inexpensive two or 4 channel interface will work when you're getting used to the process, and you can wait until you're ready to record the rest of the band to get a larger rig, while still using the small rig for your personal sketchpad.

I have a dinosaur that runs Win XP extremely slow (the only thing it does at a decent speed is surf the net.. unless it involves a video. I might get to hear it if it ever loads)... and a laptop with Win 7
 
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If you have some cash, get a Mac and use Garageband.

Don't cheap out of the mic, decent ones aren't that expensive and the cheap ones really terrublimax.
 
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I have 2 Electro-Voice N/D767's... will that work for mics?

Looking at its frequency response chart it won't be ideal for instrument recording, but it'd work. You'd probably be better off with a SM57 as your first recording microphone, and they can be had for $60 used or $100 new.
 
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your old XP machine will run Reaper. You should look into Reaper for sure. It's $60 unless you want the nag screen to pop up every time asking you to buy it but not crippling the software.

Seriously, Reaper is extensive and powerful. Look into it.
Get ASIO4ALL for your computer and make latency go away for the most part. ASIO4ALL is free.
Get an interface, and you might as well buy new. Older interfaces may have old firmwares that may make them useless.
 
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Don't bother with spending money on mics, 8 channel interfaces, acoustic treatment or monitors and what not. Get the bare essentials and start recording. See NecroPolo's post, and then just go for it. You'll learn more from that experience then what we can tell you. :)




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http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP03/

If you're just beginning, something like this will suit you just fine. 8 tracks...built in mics....jacks for the mics you already have. Add a decent set of headphones for tracking and mixing and you're there.

Lots of computer wiz bang software with 40 billion effects and 666 bands of EQ is great and all but for a beginner it's overkill and will actually distract you from what you first need to learn and that's how to get a good sound into the machine. So all you really need to get started is a recorder and a microphone.

I can't stress this next point enough...the MOST important aspect of recording is WHAT you record. Take a bad song and a bad musician into the BEST studio in the world and all you'll end up with is well recorded garbage.

There are many many resources available that will educate you on the finer points of the process. Find a book on the subject and devour its contents. Along the way you'll learning about the different types of microphones, what they do best and how to place them to achieve good results. You'll learn about room acoustics and how they affect the recorded sound and how they affect you ability to monitor and mix what you've recorded.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Oh how I love this place! Thanks everyone for all the input... and for what's to come!
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Hold on about the preamp.

You need something to get a mic up. A normal soundcard doesn't have anything. But a good soundcard for musicians might have it. Myself I have one of those ART tube preamps with symmetric in. I also use a cheap beaten Yamaha mixer with nice mic preamps.

I really like having a $100 used Yamaha mixer. Cheap enough and very practical. Those ART things cost what $30?
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

For starting out, the preamps in your average 2 channel interfaces do just fine, and will still make a good platform to build around. Look at the Presonus, Lexicon, and Focusrite products (among others).

Features you want:
balanced outs for monitors
Mic and instrument jacks (duh!)
Phantom power for condenser mics ( not necessary for dynamic mics, but why not buy for the long run? )
At least a USB 2 uplink

For a DAW:
Able to use VST plugins (plus VSTi's, for on board synths, depending on your music) there are some very good free/cheap plugins that'll let you add some professional quality touches to your mix

After that, it's worth trying out a few, to see if how their workflow makes sense to you, and works for you. There's nothing more frustrating than arguing with software while you're trying to be creative.


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Not sure I agree with those interface specs.
 
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Audacity is free and a decent start for a first look at things http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ On sale at MF http://www.musiciansfriend.com/multitrack-recorders/tascam-dp-006-digital-6-track-pocketstudio will require a power adapter and some SDHC 32 gig cards you can get both for about $16 each online search. A really low end start at $132.00 you can get your feet wet. Oh yeah probably need a decent set of headphones , I use a cheap little SS marshall amp connected to headphone out was $69
 
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