Warmoth Seymour Duncan comparison video

Thanks for posting.

Although the differences could be bigger, they are definitely there.
With my smartphone output i cannot hear a difference. Same headphones with my laptop output and the differnces are clearly there.

I think the SH-6 might be too close to the strings? Somethings very wrong with this one in this demo.

I need to revisit the Pegasus. Still have it in a box. I am convinced now, i tried it in the wrong guitar.

Also need to undust my dimebucker, it definitely has a quality that i like.
Hm, no empty guitars though, and too many already...​
 
beaubrummels said:
When a Full Shred sounds like an Invader, something is flawed in how they recorded or put together the clips.
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Absolutely true!!

I know that the speakers in my computer are not great and don't have much definition and clarity, but still, I should have heard some really big differences between the Invader and the Full Shred at least!
 
ToneFiddler;n6259393 Also need to undust my dimebucker said:
First of all, you CAN'T have too many guitars (unless you just can't physically fit any more into your house).
Second, like he said in the video, it's time to build a guitar specifically for that pup.

I also have had the Dimebucker on my mind for several months now. Never owned one. Never played one. But maybe it's time for me to make a guitar just for a Dimebucker. I've got a .30-06, .30-30, several .22s, and a 12 gauge, maybe it's time for a .22-250 or a 7mm mag.
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i listend to it again and differnces a clearly there. The full shred sounds different than the invader. invader sounds way more fat where as the full shred has almost a twangy quality to it with a lot less bass.
the first change from full shredd to invader indeed is strange though. when he plays the riff the second time the change is more apparant.
I think it's codex compression that slowly adapts and is not immediately at this point.

@GuitarDoc: well it's not a house and yes it's about space. Some people living there too, think it's too many, and on some days i agree, although on other days i think there is room for at least 2 more wall holders​
 
I always suspected the DI's were normalized on the Keith Merrow video. No way the same gain/level settings would work on something like a Pegasus or Custom 5 or one of the lower output ones compared to the Blackouts or Invader. But that's just me coming up with conspiracy theories.
 
Except that every pickup in the merrow vid sounds like total s****
total plastic sound and also it sounds a bit like it was recorded underwater.
the warmoth changes are much more in line with the differences I would get with my setup.
 
usually i like the Aaron from Warmoth videos, but this one kinda misses the mark. I've used a lot of the pickups demoed in the video and they sound much more varied and different than how they are presented here.
 
Rex_Rocker said:
I always suspected the DI's were normalized on the Keith Merrow video. No way the same gain/level settings would work on something like a Pegasus or Custom 5 or one of the lower output ones compared to the Blackouts or Invader. But that's just me coming up with conspiracy theories.
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yeah, it just makes good sense to adjust the input gain so you end up with a nice even sounding video. not sure if you're trying to insinuate that makes the video bad? the best part of the vid is comparing the differences in the mids and highs where it really matters. because of it I knew I'd be happy with a Pegasus and black winter and didn't have to waste my time getting a scratchy nazgul or a clinky dimebucker. I love my Peggy and Mr Winter

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ToneFiddler said:
Except that every pickup in the merrow vid sounds like total s****
total plastic sound and also it sounds a bit like it was recorded underwater.
the warmoth changes are much more in line with the differences I would get with my setup.
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lol, um, okay? "plastic sound" that's a good one
 
RanchManSandy said:
yeah, it just makes good sense to adjust the input gain so you end up with a nice even sounding video. not sure if you're trying to insinuate that makes the video bad?
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No, I didn't mean to say it was bad at all. It shows the differences in the pickups. It's a good way to get an idea of how they will work compared to each other.

That being said, I do think the difference in his vid came out way exaggerated than what usually has happened to me in real-life scenarios. Even moreso recorded and in a mix.
 
Rex_Rocker said:
That being said, I do think the difference in his vid came out way exaggerated than what usually has happened to me in real-life scenarios. Even moreso recorded and in a mix.
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​​​​​​Interesting. Do you have any thoughts on how they achieved these exaggerated differences? I'm not being snarky, I genuinely want to know
 
I’m gonna have to do one of these because the difference between pickups is very audible even in a mix. I suspect something in the signal or processing chain is homogenising the sound because the myth that “pickups barely make a difference in the mix” couldn’t be less true from my own mixes to clients with their serviceable but cheap stock pickups being upgraded to something like a JB or DD being night and day. Probably helps I don’t use or encourage a truly psychotic amount of gain to let the notes and pickup sound through better and of course an overdrive in front is going to change the relationship between oickup and amp. Even dropping in some EMTYs to directly replace the 707s they replaced for a song was noticeably a much better sound. Being fairly single-note focused they were just as tight, searing, yet warm and fat whereas the 707s were just too thin and brittle in the highs.
 
RanchManSandy said:
​​​​​​Interesting. Do you have any thoughts on how they achieved these exaggerated differences? I'm not being snarky, I genuinely want to know
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Rex_Rocker said:
I always suspected the DI's were normalized on the Keith Merrow video. No way the same gain/level settings would work on something like a Pegasus or Custom 5 or one of the lower output ones compared to the Blackouts or Invader. But that's just me coming up with conspiracy theories.
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​I suspect it's that. But at the same time, I'm just coming up with conspiracy theories, so don't quote me on that. However, I'm not sure if normalizing levels would either exaggerate the differences or rather, homogenize them. I have not experimented doing that.

I know Glenn Fricker gets a lot of bad rep with his radical views. I, myself, don't agree with him for the most part. But his results in the "pickups don't matter" statement more closely resemble mine than Keith's. I'm not saying that they don't matter, mind you. Just that the differences are way more subtle than what they're coming through like on the KM vid.

JMO and JME.
 
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I disagree with the notion “you can’t hear any properties of a pickup in a mix” unless it’s mixed in a way where the top end of the guitar is buried (i.e. poorly.). It’s like an equation. 50% is from your speaker cabinet, 30% from your amp and 20% from your guitar and pickups and how they interact/balance. Glenn’s demo uses more gain than I find practical anyway.
 
I don't think his gain levels are off, personally, but I get what you mean.

I don't agree that they don't make it through the mix. I agree with you there too. But I do get it that his point was that they don't make a night/day difference. I agree there 100%.

That being said, to say they don't make any difference is just plain denying the evidence. There was a difference even in his clip, subtle as it may have been. Good engineers are all about subtle details adding up to the final product. I doubt his heroes Andy Sneap and Fredrik Nordstrom are just "yeah, grab whatever pickup and go" either.

Back in the days of the Sneap Forum, Andy raved about those unicorn fart Winged C tubes too, I clearly remember.

TBH, for having such radical views, you'd think Glen's mixes would kick ass. They don't. They don't sound like they're made by some noob in his bedroom either, but nothing stands out as spectacular to me either.
 
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