What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

[psychepool]

There seem to be two main ways of wiring that using volume and tone.

First is the following common methods found in Gibson Les Paul.
It connects volume and tone pot with a tone cap.


Second, it is a common method used in Fender guitars.
The volume and tone pot are connected directly, and ton cap goes through tone pot and into the ground.


This is the circuit diagrams of two.


It just seems to be the difference between tone pot and cap location.
Is there a difference between the two wirings?

I usually prefer the second method because of its convenience in wiring.

If there is a difference between the two wires, please let me know the difference.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

I believe they achieve the same thing.

 

[AlexR]

Re: What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

The order of the component matters not at all.
There might be a difference in the location of the ground and the direction you are turning the knob to turn down.

 

[psychepool]

Re: What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

Thanks for your replies! I can wire it the second way I always do.

 

[shadowfire90]

Re: What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

there are a few ways to wire up a tone premier guitar did a great article on a while back.

Modern you've covered and 9 out of 10 usually I go with some incarnation of this
50s has its advantages
for more than one volume there is decoupled

thsi is for 2 of the 3. Don't mind 60s a few of us talked about it on here a while ago and compared to modern there apparently was no difference
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/29161-mod-garage-three-ways-to-wire-a-tone-pot

now decoupled the only people who will find any advantage to this is 2 pickup guitars where people like the middle. I slightly modified an old seymour duncan diagram

Decoupled I got the idea from the blog guitar.com did 25 ways to upgrade a les paul. Usually I scoff at these because it's usually people trying to sell overpriced snake oil. However they did a fantastic job. This is how they describe it. It's a very subtle change to the wiper (center) and left lug of the volume pots.

copied and pasted off the blog
If you would like your volume controls to be completely independent and eliminate the cut out in the middle position, it’s a simple case of reversing the input and output connections on the volume potentiometers

The regular Les Paul wiring scheme means that the controls are somewhat interactive. One of the oddities is the way that turning down one of the volume controls kills both pickups when the pickup selector is in the middle setting.

Some players like it because you can do that stuttering staccato trick where you hit a power chord and ‘play’ it with the switch, but it drives other players bananas. Fortunately, it’s easy to de-couple the volume controls by wiring the volume controls backwards; just follow the diagram. The downside of the mod is more noticeable treble loss when you turn down the volume controls, so treble bleed caps may be required. Try 330pF for starters.
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for the sake of tone chasing there is a fantastic video explaining what resonant peak on youtube Dylan pickups did that will save people some money knowing which pots and capacitors to use in builds I highly recommend. The video is called "What is resonant peak". I'll never buy a NOS (vintage) or hifi capacitor for a passive build again.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: What is the difference between the two wiring methods?

Both ways achieve the same thing. Electrically, there is no difference where the cap is placed, whether between the vol output and tone input lugs or between tone output lug and ground. In both cases the cap is still in the pathway to ground.

If you think of the tone pot as a simple resister this may be easier to understand. It would make no difference whether you have cap then resister then ground or resister then cap then ground. They are in series. The signal goes through both. Just like if you had 2 resisters of different values in series, it wouldn't matter which one would be first.