Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

[Mike M.]

I'd like to try either a Govenor or a Wizard but not sure which one would be best for my DSL 50. But I seem to be leaning towards the Wizard but I'm open to suggestion. Any experience with either thru a Marshall? If you're not careful the DSL can be a pretty bright sounding amp.

I've never really gotten a clear explaination of what I'm going to ask so let me try here. The DSL can run at 4, 8 or 18 ohms. Lets say for example that I have two identical speakers, one is 8 ohms and the other is 16 ohms. I then try them out thru my amp seperatley. Will I notice any tonal differances? Will one be smoother or harsher over the other one? Will one sound better quieter or louder than the other? I'd appreciate any info. Thanks.

 

[kevlar3000]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

If brightness is an issue, I thik the Wizard can get a bit toppy. Much like a g12H30, you push them and the high end can come out, I have one in a dark cab and it sounds fantastic. I originally had it in a brighter cab and did not care for it. Bright amps just got brighter.. The V12/Governer is a nice sounding modern type speaker. I like better than the Vintage 30, which it is modeled after. I don't think either possess a great deal of 'singing' character but do the hi gain thing very well.

I have fallen in love with the Tonespotter, a G1265 voice. When you push it it gets really warm and compressed on the top end. Coupled with a Swamp Thang, it is hands down the best 2/12 combo I have come across. I just love it!!!Very smooth, wonderful note detail and beautiful treble. No harshness at all.

 

[Mike M.]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

Thanks, Kevlar. Yeah, I've read some good things about the Tonespotter although I'm not familiar with the G1265 that it's voiced after. Guess I'll do some reading up on that one as well.

 

[Mike M.]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

Anybody else about the ohm question?

 

[kevlar3000]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

16 is the traditional Marshall set up. If it were me I would opt for that.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

In Marshall 4x12 you usually use four 16 ohm speakers. Wired series/parallel, the total impedance of such 4x12 is 16 ohms. You would set the amp to 16 ohms.

If you used it with two 16 ohm cabs (and both cabs should each be of the same ohm rating) the total load on the amp would be 8 ohms, because the outputs are in parallel. You would set the amp to 8 ohms in this later case.

Combo's and 2x12 cab's usually use 8 ohm speakers. A 1x12 combo is usually 8 ohms. If two 8 ohm speakers are wired in series, then it's 16 ohms. This is the most common 2x12 wiring. If they are wired in parallel then the 2x12 cab using 8 ohm speakers, would be 4 ohms.

In one multi speaker cabinet, all the speakers should be of the same ohm rating. It's not good to have speakers of different ohm ratings in the same cab; sharing the same wiring. You end up with with all kinds of wierd impedance loads.

The rule of thumb is; parallel wiring results in 1/2 the speaker ohm rating, and series wiring results in twice the speakers ohm rating.

 

[Mike M.]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

In Marshall 4x12 you usually use four 16 ohm speakers. Wired series/parallel, the total impedance of such 4x12 is 16 ohms. You would set the amp to 16 ohms.

If you used it with two 16 ohm cabs (and both cabs should each be of the same ohm rating) the total load on the amp would be 8 ohms, because the outputs are in parallel. You would set the amp to 8 ohms in this later case.

Combo's and 2x12 cab's usually use 8 ohm speakers. A 1x12 combo is usually 8 ohms. If two 8 ohm speakers are wired in series, then it's 16 ohms. This is the most common 2x12 wiring. If they are wired in parallel then the 2x12 cab using 8 ohm speakers, would be 4 ohms.

In one multi speaker cabinet, all the speakers should be of the same ohm rating. It's not good to have speakers of different ohm ratings in the same cab; sharing the same wiring. You end up with with all kinds of wierd impedance loads.

The rule of thumb is; parallel wiring results in 1/2 the speaker ohm rating, and series wiring results in twice the speakers ohm rating.

Thank you kindly. I understand the importance of having everything wired and hooked up properly but this still really does'nt answer my question. Maybe I was'nt clear enough so I'll try again.

Let's say that I have two seperate cabinets with identical speakers in each cabinet. Just for examples sake, lets just say G12H30's are in each cabinet. The only differance is one cabinet is 8 ohms, the other cabinet is 16 ohms.

I then plug in ONLY the 8 ohm cabinet with the amp set to 8 ohms and try it out.

I turn the amp off for a while, unplug the 8 ohm cabinet , plug in the 16 ohm cabinet ONLY with the amp set to 16 ohms.

What tonal differances will I hear beteen the two cabinets? Will there be ANY differance at all? Any differance in tone, volume, smoothness, harshness?

Make sense now? Thanks again.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

Oh okay....

I'm not sure that it will make a noticable sonic diffirence. My cab is 8 ohms now, and I didn't notice any diffrence from when it was 16. I also have a combo with a stackable extension cab. I run it at 4 and it still sounds about the same as with 8. I have read were people think the JTM45 sounds a little thicker pushing 16 ohms, as oppossed to 8, at high volume.

Eric Johnson used run his plexis with the output transformer taps mismatched to the cabs (at least according to some old GP articles). IIRC, he was running two cabs, but left the head set to 16ohms. Or was it set to 4 running into 8? Anyway it's probably one of those things that only EJ can hear.

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

as far as which one, what kinda stuff do you play?

if you do high gain then the wizard is not a good idea, but IMO it beats the governor for light to medium gain

 

[kevlar3000]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

If you set your marshall at 8 ohms and run it through a 16 ohm cab, you will get a bit more gain. I run all of my 8ohm Traynors this way and they sound great. Do not to the opposite!! Which is set your marshall at 16 and then run into an 8 ohm load. That can be a potientially harmful mismatch. I have tried all of my selectable ohm heads and some sound great with 8 to 16, my Carlsbro however likes 16 to 16. Much more sing with that amp.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Which Eminance for DSL 50 & ohm Q's.

If the Wizard is based on the G12H30 and the Governor is based on the Vintage 30, then I'd suggest the Wizard because I like the fuller tone and smoother highs of the G12H30 over the Vintage 30.

What I've noticed about the Eminence 12's is that they have smoother highs than the Celestions they are based on...and a fuller tone with less of the hollow/crunchy/honk of Celestions.

They sound a little more American to me...

Lew