Which SD pickups similar to epiphone 57ch and hotch?

[Mrjones2004x]

Hi,

so my magnets arrived today and I swapped them out.

first impressions.

Jazz;
warmer, thicker more mellow. Sounds like a fat humbucker now. Before sounded thin to me. More liquid sounding, I’m not very good a describing but that’s best I got. And I can get a cleaner sound now when rolling back.

JB;
fuller/thicker, looser bottom end and highs much more mellow. sounds lot less output overall. Sounds very van halen now to me.

so the bad.

jazz, none I love it. It’s brilliant.
JB, if I could keep what it is now but add the highs back I’d be in perfect happy land.

can you put half and half in magnet wise? A2 for the bass and then A5 for the treble string side?

tell me if I’m thinking stupid but in theory this would give the highs back there bite but keep the rest similar?

thanks for your help guys

 

[beaubrummels]

Possibly try UOA5 (unoriented alnico 5) in the JB, but not roughcast, use a polished, unoriented A5. (Polished with retain bite, roughcast softens the top end. Unoriented gives an A5 some A2 qualities, rounder mids, but the bass is still there.)

A4 (alnico 4) is another option, though I haven't tried one in a JB. A4 is very even. Good top end, thick mids but no peaks, and solid bass.

 

[Demanic]

Possibly try UOA5 (unoriented alnico 5) in the JB, but not roughcast, use a polished, unoriented A5. (Polished with retain bite, roughcast softens the top end. Unoriented gives an A5 some A2 qualities, rounder mids, but the bass is still there.)

A4 (alnico 4) is another option, though I haven't tried one in a JB. A4 is very even. Good top end, thick mids but no peaks, and solid bass.

I have a JB with a roughcast UAO5 and it still has plenty of bight, though yes, polished will give it more.

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[Mrjones2004x]

Unorientated?

my alnico 2 magnets said this on the order.
does this mean they can be put in anyway? Or mean something else completely?

I fitted them same polarity as the others came out. Just buy putting them together and worked out which way.

regards
paul

 

[beaubrummels]

Unorientated?

my alnico 2 magnets said this on the order.
does this mean they can be put in anyway? Or mean something else completely?

I fitted them same polarity as the others came out. Just buy putting them together and worked out which way.

regards
paul

Unoriented refers to the way they were manufactured and the resulting metal bar. Magnets always have a polarity and need to be installed accordingly.

 

[Mrjones2004x]

Unoriented refers to the way they were manufactured and the resulting metal bar. Magnets always have a polarity and need to be installed accordingly.

thanks for the information

 

[PicoRiveraTele]

Hi,
first post here. So go easy haha

love how my epiphone sounds with the 57CH neck and Hotch bridge and I wanted a similar thick sounding SD version for my Burny guitar. It has a JB and Jazz in at he moment and I really don’t like it. Sound thin in comparison and way to hot. Can’t dial a clean tone at all through my jcm900 mk3.

any suggestions to what might be similar to the epiphone stock pickups in my custom?

regards
Paul

If both are covered, neither will sound like a Duncan because the Epis have brass covers, while the Duncans have nickel silver. The Epis have AlNiCo 5, so the Duncan would have to have AlNiCo 5. The HOTCH is based around the JB, and the 57CH is pretty close to a '59 or Jazz. In all likelihood, Epiphone more or less cloned the JB Jazz combo, because it was a hot seller.

Changing the magnets is no different than raising or lowering the pickups. People like to pretend it's a distinctly different outcome, but all you're doing is making the magnetic interaction between the string and the pickup a little weaker or a little stronger.

 

[AllHailDIO]

As Pico mentioned, the covers and their materials will affect the tones. Also will the baseplate which is likely brass too on the Epiphones.

You could try swapping covers and baseplates to brass... IDK. IMO the JB is wound hotter than the HOTCH which is wound like 14k. Probably inspired by the 498t

If you can't find what you want from the JB, a direct replacement may be better. Another HOTCH or even a Dimarzio which IMO typically have a warmer and more compressed character, leaning towards those Epis, then the more clear and dynamic, but perhaps not as warm or middy, that Duncans tend to be.

 

[Artie]

Unorientated?

Oriented and unoriented are the same as isotropic and anisotropic. (As Jeremy pointed out to me.)

http://www.magnetkingdom.com/faq.as...net is not,particles in a specific direction.

 

[Mrjones2004x]

As Pico mentioned, the covers and their materials will affect the tones. Also will the baseplate which is likely brass too on the Epiphones.

You could try swapping covers and baseplates to brass... IDK. IMO the JB is wound hotter than the HOTCH which is wound like 14k. Probably inspired by the 498t

If you can't find what you want from the JB, a direct replacement may be better. Another HOTCH or even a Dimarzio which IMO typically have a warmer and more compressed character, leaning towards those Epis, then the more clear and dynamic, but perhaps not as warm or middy, that Duncans tend to be.

mom plenty happy with the jb now with the mag swap. It has tamed it loads and made it overall thicker.

I tried to lower the pickup and it never really achieved anything close to this.

the only thing I’ve noticed is the jazz with A2 is a bit louder now overall compared to the JB. But I just dropped the jazz height a bit to reduce it and think they’re suitably balanced now.