Who Has Actually Used Detune?

[LLL]

I've been yammering about the beautymous tones you can get with (Eventide) and pitch detuning for some time.

Curious if anyone else here has actually used it for their own rig (live or studio)? Tell us your experiences.

 

[LLL]

Does the Pitch Factor do what you are talking about?

Absolutely. Try the H910/949 section.

 

[Mincer]

The Boss Dimension does this as well, and it sounds glorious (in stereo).

 

[Securb]

There is a FAT setting in the H9 that is EVH's later detuned sound. I think it is the Balance tone do not quote me. I popped it on here and there to thicken leads. Especially when I was in the post-Hardcore band.

 

[PFDarkside]

I’ve dabbled with my GMajor 2 but I need a mixer to do it best. Usually for thickening I’ve used a chorus with rate and depth down.

I use it a lot on synths, 3 oscillators -10, 0, +10.

 

[Securb]

Does the Pitch Factor do what you are talking about?

Here are two settings you should be able to mimic with your PitchFactor

 

[Demanic]

My Spidervalve has an interesting harmonizer. Quite a lot of range to it. Certainly good for leads if you want to sound like dual guitars. It's not something that I tend to use regularly.

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[Gtrjunior]

I have the detune enabled on my Möbius which is on my Splawn Quickrod board. Sounds huge.

 

[Securb]

I have the detune enabled on my Möbius which is on my Splawn Quickrod board. Sounds huge.

I thought that was a MOD pedal?

 

[LLL]

My bog-standard detune for dual Eventides is .998 & 1.002 with 0ms & 20ms delay (left and right respectively)

 

[LLL]

My Spidervalve has an interesting harmonizer. Quite a lot of range to it. Certainly good for leads if you want to sound like dual guitars. It's not something that I tend to use regularly.

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Detune is not like harmonizing, it's like a different kind of chorus.

Harmonizing is taking a note (that you play) and automatically adding a 3rd above/octave above/5th below, etc... sometimes with multiple intervals... at the same time.

 

[LLL]

EVH got totally hooked on detune (Eventide).

There's arguably some on the first album in bits (remember, the H910 came out in 1975), definitely some on the second, and from there Ed starting adding more and more until by Van Hagar his tone was drenched in it.

 

[Securb]

Detune is not like harmonizing, it's like a different kind of chorus.

Harmonizing is taking a note (that you play) and automatically adding a 3rd above/octave above/5th below, etc... sometimes with multiple intervals... at the same time.

Detune is driven by pitch, not time/modulation. We are talking micro-pitch not thirds of fifths but still pitch. Detune has nothing to do with chorus or flanging. You can see this clearly if you look at the FAT setting above.

 

[chadd]

I've used it on my Kemper a few times to create 12 string or mandolin type tones (along with other effects)

 

[LLL]

Detune is driven by pitch, not time/modulation. We are talking micro-pitch not thirds of fifths but still pitch. Detune has nothing to do with chorus or flanging. You can see this clearly if you look at the FAT setting above.

Wrong.

Detune is like chorus, because it sounds very much like chorus, and because its effect is similarly constructed.

Chorus is simply a slight change in pitch combined with a very slight delay, while including the original signal.

Detune is a very fine change in pitch (cents). Then you add a very slight delay to it (or twice for stereo) for more effect, because every detune product out there has delay as well.


Of course, how much pitch and delay is available is variable and dependent upon the FX unit.


A harmonizer gets its name from harmony (i.e. some sings a note, then another sings maybe a 3rd above, and another sings maybe a 5th above - at the same time).

The Pitchfactor and H9 (which uses Pitchfactor patches) are capable of harmonizing a signal and adding several intervals above/below the note you are playing

Typical Brian May guitar parts are harmonized.


So, harmonizing and detuning are two different things (my point for Demanic). Although some FX units (PitchFactor for ex) do both.


You need to go back to FX school, bubba.

You can start by reading this:

https://www.teachmeaudio.com/mixing/.../chorus-flange

The chorus effect processor works by delaying the input signal by about 15 milliseconds and mixing it back into the original signal. The delayed signal is then slightly detuned in pitch from the other which is controlled via the modulation rate and depth controls. A low modulation rate and depth adds a subtle change comparable to an ensemble.

See how that works?

 

[beaubrummels]

The modulation of chorus modulates the delay time, not the pitch. (Likewise with a flanger.) Not all choruses have a detune in their circuit. Those that do just use it to make the effect richer or to better simulate multiple sources (though the delay times are short enough you shouldn't perceive multiple taps or 'sources'.). 15 milliseconds isn't any kind of standard. I've seen rack units use anywhere between 4ms up to 40ms. It's a delay effect with a modulated time delay. It just stops sounding like a chorus once you get too far out of the range where the human ear can tell it's two or more taps.

 

[LLL]

Not all choruses have a detune in their circuit.

Show us one that doesn't detune - the very definition of chorus demands a slight pitch shift.

Chorus without modulation is simply a very slight delay (the other aspect of chorus).

15 milliseconds isn't any kind of standard. I've seen rack units use anywhere between 4ms up to 40ms.

15 milliseconds was used as an example or average amount in the article; obviously.

 

[LLL]

This is a Steve Morse track that I did which has detune all over it (Eventide PitchFactor).

...not to mention harmonized lines. :lol:

Detune is cool on distortion, but it really shines on clean (Strat clean in this example).

Detune sounds like a different kind of chorus.

 

[Mincer]

This is a Steve Morse track that I did which has detune all over it (Eventide PitchFactor).

...not to mention harmonized lines. :lol:

Detune is cool on distortion, but it really shines on clean (Strat clean in this example).

Detune sounds like a different kind of chorus.

Great job on a great tune! Steve uses a detune effect on all of his clean sounds on that album.

 

[Gtrjunior]

I thought that was a MOD pedal?

It is but it has a detune function in the chorus setting.
I’m assuming that was the OP’s reference and not actually using a pedal that detunes your guitar like the digitech drop…?