Why doesn't this effect exist?

[Aceman]

And before you start...I know some will say "It does! The [insert bad example here]...


So I'll qualify pretty clearly.


Where is there no Three FX stomp for the amp loop? Seriously, just something that has Modulation, Delay, and Verb with some presets?

These are not that hard to do, really. I know we all get tweeky about our fuzz, but chorus, delay, reverb? C'mon - every and anyone can do some monster studio quality versions of those.

Just a simple little box, on/off for each effect, bank up/down, bypass. Maybe 20 presets (seriously, how many can you really need? I'll go 40 if you want)

Chorus/flange/phase
Delay
reverb - room, hall, plate

Is this really that hard?

Somebody get Frank in here. Hook us up with the Seymour Duncan "In The Loop" One box for all the ambience you could want.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Outside of the Verbmate and the Spring King (which I believe is analog, correct me if I'm wrong), analog reverb isn't really practical in a realistic sized stompbox. Besides reverb though, I want analog or as close to it as I can get. That's why I don't really go for the multi units.

That said, the TC Nova stuff does pretty much exactly what you're asking, and sounds great. Not too expensive either for the quality and quantity of what you're getting. I've also heard good things about the Jack Deville Mod Zero, which is, I believe, all analog.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Multifx floor units have been doing exactly what you describe for decades ... or am I misunderstanding you?

I also reject your statement that "every and anyone can do some monster studio quality versions of those".

 

[JOLLY]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Multifx floor units have been doing exactly what you describe for decades ... or am I misunderstanding you?

That's what I was thinking as well.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

There are thousands of one rack space units that will give you all that you are asking for and more...

 

[Tor]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

That said, the TC Nova stuff does pretty much exactly what you're asking, and sounds great. Not too expensive either for the quality and quantity of what you're getting. I've also heard good things about the Jack Deville Mod Zero, which is, I believe, all analog.

Wow, if that thing could combine chorus/vibe (one footswitch) and tremolo (another footswitch), I'd be all over it.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

I just want a stomp with the basic flavors of swirl, delay, and verb for the loop.

I'll be glad to throw in trem and Vibe tor. But only one of those at a time...

Just simple and to the point, without 50 diofferent goofy fuzzes, and compression, and eq, and wah, and etc.

Show me that.

And for less than the cost of a small car (I know someone is gonna bring up the TC units.) WAY overdone. Way cool, but $$$$ and 42 conveniences that I don't need / want.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Outside of the Verbmate and the Spring King (which I believe is analog, correct me if I'm wrong), analog reverb isn't really practical in a realistic sized stompbox. Besides reverb though, I want analog or as close to it as I can get. That's why I don't really go for the multi units.

See, Agile, that is the sort of statement that drives me nuts. When i read that, it basically says to me "I have decided that i shall use analog - regardless of the fact that the digital version may actual sound better"

Kind of like deciding you like solid body long tenon guitars. Then you find out Gibson has been using short tenons and carving the insides out forever. Yet you decided you liked that sound because of a recording you hear - made by the version you seem to not be able to stand.

Not saying that is you - but there absolutely people like that out there. Maybe your ear has just got that way. But honestly, all the sounds of all the stuff I have heard - I don't believe it.

Example: To me - the best reverb EVER is the tube driven Peavey Valverb. Nothing can touch that IMO. That said, I LOVE my EH Holy Grail. And we all know there are a ton of Verbzilla fans out there.

To me, whatever makes the right sound is whatever does it. I am just always distrustful of anyone who chooses brand, newness, hype, etc...over a good listening to. The blind listening is where you find the truth. I think a LOT of dudes lie to themselves, or just follow the buzz.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

I just want a stomp with the basic flavors of swirl, delay, and verb for the loop.

I'll be glad to throw in trem and Vibe tor. But only one of those at a time...

Just simple and to the point, without 50 diofferent goofy fuzzes, and compression, and eq, and wah, and etc.

Show me that.

And for less than the cost of a small car (I know someone is gonna bring up the TC units.) WAY overdone. Way cool, but $$$$ and 42 conveniences that I don't need / want.

Right then, take a look at the Nova Modulator. If it's too hard for you to use, I've got some bad news for you...

Plus, it's only $200.

On the other subject:

I never said that there was anything wrong with digital - I've got a digital delay and a digital reverb, both of which I love. I'm just saying that I personally would go for an analog effect first. If the digital effect suits me better, am I going for the analog just because it's analog? No. That said, I tend to stay away from most digital units because of the D/A & A/D conversion. Both of my digital pedals are true bypass, so I avoid that problem.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

I think what you're asking for serves a small portion of the population. Why sell a single box that does everything when you could sell three boxes for forty percent of the price of the big one? If someone wants all three, they buy all three. If someone wants one, they buy one.

And I think this is exactly the direction TC is going with their TonePrint pedals. You want chorus, flange, delay, and reverb? They have pedals for that. You want just reverb? You got it. Yes, it's slightly less convenient than an all-in-one, but I think they might sell that as well. Plus, you get to sell it to the guys who don't need everything and the kitchen sink in one box.

Finally, a lot of guys may have a delay they already like or a chorus they think works better than the comparable offering. You're not pushing them out of your target audience by offering something with a bunch of sounds they don't need and, more importantly, don't want to pay for.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

It just seems to me that there is no "middle" ground.

Single pedal, or the kitchen sink.

There are plenty of two-in-ones. Why not a three in one.

The dividing line of in the loop, or up front seems pretty obvious. And as for analog vs digital - I'll definitely take my digital in the loop over up front.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Right then, take a look at the Nova Modulator. If it's too hard for you to use, I've got some bad news for you...

Plus, it's only $200.

On the other subject:

I never said that there was anything wrong with digital - I've got a digital delay and a digital reverb, both of which I love. I'm just saying that I personally would go for an analog effect first. If the digital effect suits me better, am I going for the analog just because it's analog? No. That said, I tend to stay away from most digital units because of the D/A & A/D conversion. Both of my digital pedals are true bypass, so I avoid that problem.

As cool as that is, all it is is two modulation effects.

I do SOOOOO dig a chorus where I can futz with the delay time though.

That, a Boss Giga-delay or line 6, and a verb of choice would be three killer boxes though.

But I can program single ambience patches. Gotta remember which patch is which on each.

 

[jtougas]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

You could string together a few of the Empress Effects pedals...

 

[Reload in 5]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

what's wrong with an M9?

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Most pedal builders will gladly build the pedal you want. Just gotta ask 'em. I had several custom pedals made for me by HBE.

 

[xxxplorer]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

fox rox made those captain coconuts.... no not three different modulations, but it was Fuzz, vibe and octave up I believe? I could be wrong. They exist... but the problem is that not everyone wants just those options so the potential market gets smaller.

The line 6 M9 basically does what you ask.. yes it has more than you want, but it's not that much more than buying three different pedals, and for those nights you want wacky, they are in there.

 

[wickenspoet]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Damage Control Glass Nexus pedal?
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazi...Control_Glass_Nexus_Multi_Effects_Review.aspx

 

[aleclee]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

It just seems to me that there is no "middle" ground.

Single pedal, or the kitchen sink.

There are plenty of two-in-ones. Why not a three in one..

Good question. The only answer I can think of is that once a device has enough CPU to do three things reasonably well, you've hit the point where you might as well throw in the kitchen sink.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Loop???
What kind of loop???

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: Why doesn't this effect exist?

Good question. The only answer I can think of is that once a device has enough CPU to do three things reasonably well, you've hit the point where you might as well throw in the kitchen sink.

Not just CPU, but display, controls, foot switches, and enclosure.

What Aceman wants is basically a unit with all the guts, switches, pots, buttons, and jacks of a multi effects unit ... but he only wants it to do three things ... oh, but you have to be able to program presets, like a multi effects unit ...

That's like calling Dell and telling them you want a powerful computer that can only run Word, Excel, and Minesweeper - nothing else.

Building a pedal like this would cost just as much as building a full-featured multi. Given that, there's zero point in limiting it to doing just those few things.

A Line 6 M9 will do everything you want. It will have more effects than you need, but who cares? Don't use them! It won't hurt anyone's feelings if you don't turn them on. Heck, I've actually pondered getting an M9 and just using it for delay - nothing else. Six foot-switchable presets of any effect you can imagine with tap tempo and a looper for four hundo isn't a bad deal at all.