Why don't pickups get updated like other products?

stratguy23

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I'm curious why companies don't update pickups with new versions the way other products are often updated.

For example, common complaints about SD production pickups are:
1. 59 neck can be boomy
2. Phat Cat bridge sounds thin in comparison to PC neck
3. I'd imagine that many folks want the Pearly Gates bridge pickup to have more beef. This is a Custom Shop offering ("BFG" wind), but I bet it would be popular as a production model.

These pickups seem to be set in stone. They generally work pretty well, but it wouldn't be hard to tweak them to improve them.

Same thing with Dimarzio. Super Distortion is a great pickup, and, of course, don't fix it if it ain't broke. But it's a fairly blunt instrument. Given the advances in pickup winding knowledge since the 70s, maybe something like a slightly lower output but similarly voiced Super Distortion with alnico magnet for more organic feel might be popular.

With this paradigm, it seems like new pickup releases are pretty risky. You put out a product, and that's it, you can never improve it.

Guitars are sort of like this. All the major electric shapes (Strat, Tele, LP, SG) have design flaws that haven't been corrected since the forms "crystallized" in the late 50s/early 60s.

Contrast with, say, pedals. It's pretty common for pedal manufacturers to make V2s of pedals to address user complaints/requests. Maybe a quieter footswitch gets introduced, or more tone shaping controls added. It's also not unheard of for amps to get new versions - Peavey ValveKing II, Mesa's Mark series, 5150 series, etc.

Then, out in the world at large, cars are *expected* to be updated each year. Browsers get updated seemingly every week, though I realize software lends itself to updates.

I'm wondering why we don't see this desire/need for improvement in pickups. Arguably the Whole Lotta Humbucker set could be viewed as the improved 59 set, but it got a whole new product name instead of being called the 59 II.
 
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That is the idea. New models so people that love the original spec buy those and those that want new sound buy new models often based on classics.


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Maybe some kind of USB port? :9:

I guess there's way too many different instances, and you'd be forever chasing your tail trying to keep everyone happy all of the time :?:
 
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"The Old Ones Are Always Better" chorus would become that much more unbearable; guitarists already moan about companies possibly having changed aspects of products which are undetectable and often un-provable. If they willfully changed something obvious in the spec. they would only cause mass-mourning and horde-ing/price gouging of the "good" ones from the old days. Smooth vs. rough magnets are one example, but at least those are easy enough to swap.

If I'm less cynical I'll say "consistency" is the reason they try to avoid changes.

There have been updates; Custom, Custom 59 , Custom Custom, Custom 5 ... They've just retained the old models, and to some degree created market confusion. Another guitarist syndrome is "I can always do it better than ___ company," so to me it would make more sense if SD only made one Custom and left the magnet/coil swapping to the end user (who will probably do it anyway, no matter which they originally buy.) Might as well sell a kit, for some people.

They seem not to have trouble selling any of their existing models though, and it seems nothing has ever flopped for SD enough for them to cancel it outright. I actually like how nothing is really killed at Seymour Duncan.
 
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New pickups are everywhere dealing with the issues you raise. The existing designs you think should be tweaked are preferred the way they are by most and the complainers can find what they need if they take the time to look or take the initiative to make the tweaks (that are provided all over this forum) themselves.

As far as the Stratocaster and Les Paul there is absolutely nothing wrong with the design. If you have an idea for a guitar better than a Stratocaster patent it quick and become a wealthy whatever.
 
Re: Why don't pickups get updated like other products?

I'm curious why companies don't update pickups with new versions the way other products are often updated.

For example, common complaints about SD production pickups are:
1. 59 neck can be boomy

people have recently talked about the issue with the 59 Model and how the newer method with the polished A5 is boomier than the old method of the RCA5.

and there has been a LOT of similar talk about the JB over the years. The JB Model, the JBJ-label era, the ROHS-label era (current), the Concept JB (also known as the TeleGib bridge Prototype JB [the 777 piece Japan-only release]), the Antiquity JB, the 35th Anniversary JB. the wind may stay the same, but they used to be wound on a George Stevens winder and now they are made on a CNC winder. the older ones had RCA5 mags and the current production model has the polished A5. earlier ones had butyrate and some nylon bobbins and now the are poly. so while the wind stays the same, the little gremlins associated with improvements and developments that most any company deals with can sometimes be a factor.



2. Phat Cat bridge sounds thin in comparison to PC neck
3. I'd imagine that many folks want the Pearly Gates bridge pickup to have more beef. This is a Custom Shop offering ("BFG" wind), but I bet it would be popular as a production model.

These pickups seem to be set in stone. They generally work pretty well, but it wouldn't be hard to tweak them to improve them.

Same thing with Dimarzio. Super Distortion is a great pickup, and, of course, don't fix it if it ain't broke. But it's a fairly blunt instrument. Given the advances in pickup winding knowledge since the 70s, maybe something like a slightly lower output but similarly voiced Super Distortion with alnico magnet for more organic feel might be popular.

With this paradigm, it seems like new pickup releases are pretty risky. You put out a product, and that's it, you can never improve it.

Guitars are sort of like this. All the major electric shapes (Strat, Tele, LP, SG) have design flaws that haven't been corrected since the forms "crystallized" in the late 50s/early 60s.

Contrast with, say, pedals. It's pretty common for pedal manufacturers to make V2s of pedals to address user complaints/requests. Maybe a quieter footswitch gets introduced, or more tone shaping controls added. It's also not unheard of for amps to get new versions - Peavey ValveKing II, Mesa's Mark series, 5150 series, etc.

Then, out in the world at large, cars are *expected* to be updated each year. Browsers get updated seemingly every week, though I realize software lends itself to updates.

I'm wondering why we don't see this desire/need for improvement in pickups.

to a certain degree, some players count on some things staying the same: "oh crap, my ABC Model pickup made from 123 Company that I bought 5 years ago just took a dump! I need the same thing for this session!" they need to know they can do down to the Mom-And-Pop Music Shop and get that same sound.

although DiMarzio might take issue with being accused of not updating models. :D they seem to roll with the changes when Vai or Satch or Petrucci want to chase tone, even leaving the prior designs available. doesn't Vai have three 6-string sets with them? and to be fair, when Lynch was on the Duncan roster there was at least 1 production and 2 custom shop models available. there are 2 Bonamassa sets, but aren't they both limited edition and custom shop only?



Arguably the Whole Lotta Humbucker set could be viewed as the improved 59 set, but it got a whole new product name instead of being called the 59 II.

you may have answered your own question. the WLH was even pimped as a product-improved 59 Model to me by someone in SD tech support.

and then there's idea of how the LOTR models are improvements on the JB bridge and the DD bridge and the 59 and/or Jazz neck. or the PB is between the 59 and the JB (also how it was pimped to me by SD staff).

the point is that guitar gear companies and ring the bell all day long about being in a creative and artistic field, but they are also businesses that are looking to get a piece of the action of where you spend your money. if a company thinks there's a gap in the lineup for an item that will sell, why not put a new model out there as the cure to your tonal ills?
 
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I kinda like the fact that I can custom tailor the the 59's EQ simply by what cap I put in line with it's coils. (My de-mud mod.)

I'm thinking of adding this in on a push/pull, but would be the pickup as a whole involved, or is that what you meant anyway?

'Bout snotted me with that one...
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The WLH was even pimped as a product-improved 59 Model to me by someone in SD tech support.

Interesting. So the WLH set is the new and improved 59? Now I want to try a set even more.

I'm thinking of adding this in on a push/pull, but would be the pickup as a whole involved, or is that what you meant anyway?

Yeah. You could easily switch the cap in & out with a PP. (Or select two different caps.)
 
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Here is a new pickup:
Variable electromagnet to alter field strength;
Adjustable rotating Rough and polished metal core;
Multi voiced preamp stage to adjust resonant peak and other stuff;
All update-able thru USB port.
super pickup.jpg
 
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Well, outside of streamlining manufacturing or changing a material to one that is more consistent, I think it is because guitar players like the way things used to be done, and they like being able to predict what a pickup change will do. I mean, Strats, LPs and Teles still sell in their original configuration. If they change the formula, they call it a different model. But you can always go back to the 'base' model.

Imagine the arguments on here when one group says the 2011 Distortion was so much better than the 2013 model! Oh wait, I think that is already happening... :)
 
Re: Why don't pickups get updated like other products?

Here is a new pickup:
Variable electromagnet to alter field strength;
Adjustable rotating Rough and polished metal core;
Multi voiced preamp stage to adjust resonant peak and other stuff;
All update-able thru USB port.
View attachment 77464
A solonoid to change tesla strength of the magnetic field at the string would work much better. Just my input as a physic student
 
Re: Why don't pickups get updated like other products?

A solonoid to change tesla strength of the magnetic field at the string would work much better. Just my input as a physic student

would you modify or make a drawing of that suggestion, can't conceptualize your suggestion but it sounds great.
 
Re: Why don't pickups get updated like other products?

would you modify or make a drawing of that suggestion, can't conceptualize your suggestion but it sounds great.
Basically, you use a solenoid (electromagnet) as the magnet in any passive (or active) wind. The rest is the same.

This produces a controllable strength magnet, which could be controlled by a rheostat (potentiometer) or a controller with USB.

Basically, you could go from A3 to ceramic (power wise) in a turn of a knob. Im unsure of the tonal effects though.

Ill draw something up tomorrow.
 
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