Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
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Luke Duke
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
Regular Parallel Axis, Blues Saraceno, or Distortion?
The only Parallel Axis I've had experience with is the Distortion and it is FATTTT, but it has a good deal of compression as well. The CC is fat but doesn't have near the compression. The CC also, to my ears, has more top end.
Luke
Regular Parallel Axis, Blues Saraceno, or Distortion?
The only Parallel Axis I've had experience with is the Distortion and it is FATTTT, but it has a good deal of compression as well. The CC is fat but doesn't have near the compression. The CC also, to my ears, has more top end.
Luke
Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
So the TB2 has more bottom than the CC?
Can anyone compare it to a regular Custom?
that's the pup that's coming out
So the TB2 has more bottom than the CC?
Can anyone compare it to a regular Custom?
that's the pup that's coming out
Luke Duke
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
I wouldn't necessarily say lots more bottom, tighter though, and definitely as many if not more low mids. Many of these thing can be attributed the the sponginess of an A2 mag.
A regular custom or distortion has more highs than the PA Dist.
Luke
I wouldn't necessarily say lots more bottom, tighter though, and definitely as many if not more low mids. Many of these thing can be attributed the the sponginess of an A2 mag.
A regular custom or distortion has more highs than the PA Dist.
Luke
CaughtLikeFire
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
CC has less bottom end, more low mids, more high mids, and less high end than a Custom. the thickness is all in the mids.
I don't have experience with the PATBs. The most balanced high output pickup I've used so far is the Alternative 8 - plenty of bass but it's tight. mids are strong with a slight push in the upper mids. high end is not as edgy as a ceramic mag pup like a Duncan Distortion. Clarity under high gain is the best I've ever heard.
CC has less bottom end, more low mids, more high mids, and less high end than a Custom. the thickness is all in the mids.
I don't have experience with the PATBs. The most balanced high output pickup I've used so far is the Alternative 8 - plenty of bass but it's tight. mids are strong with a slight push in the upper mids. high end is not as edgy as a ceramic mag pup like a Duncan Distortion. Clarity under high gain is the best I've ever heard.
Micah
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
I would say in comparison to the Duncan Custom, the Custom Custom has significantly less lows and signigficantly less highs to my ear. Its mostly a really mid-sy type sound. It has top end to it but the peak is definantly in the mid range to my ears. Mostly this is contributed to the magnet character of the A2. The ceramic in the Custom makes the mid range edgier, the bass stronger and the treble frequencies more apparent. Its a very tight, chunky tone with a honky mid range that produces huge sounding chords. A very balls-out tone. I was not a guy that liked the Custom 5. It's A5 magnet seemed to almost completely scoop out the mids. I am partial to the Custom (can you tell?
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I would say in comparison to the Duncan Custom, the Custom Custom has significantly less lows and signigficantly less highs to my ear. Its mostly a really mid-sy type sound. It has top end to it but the peak is definantly in the mid range to my ears. Mostly this is contributed to the magnet character of the A2. The ceramic in the Custom makes the mid range edgier, the bass stronger and the treble frequencies more apparent. Its a very tight, chunky tone with a honky mid range that produces huge sounding chords. A very balls-out tone. I was not a guy that liked the Custom 5. It's A5 magnet seemed to almost completely scoop out the mids. I am partial to the Custom (can you tell?
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you got me thinking about the "less bottom" :scratchch
But still it sounds warmer/fatter than a regular C?
Still want to know more about the PATB (1-2-3) and the Breed, though.
you got me thinking about the "less bottom" :scratchch
But still it sounds warmer/fatter than a regular C?
Still want to know more about the PATB (1-2-3) and the Breed, though.
Luke Duke
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
Definitely warmer! Think late late Roth,:friday: early Van Hagar. Micah hit the nail on the head.
I've never tried a Breed so I can't help you there. There are quite a few guys that have tried the Blues and LOVE it.
Luke
Definitely warmer! Think late late Roth,:friday: early Van Hagar. Micah hit the nail on the head.
I've never tried a Breed so I can't help you there. There are quite a few guys that have tried the Blues and LOVE it.
Luke
Luke Duke
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
Ain't no thing man. Here's an old comparison I did years ago.
Antiquity---A pup that is hand made by Seymour or MJ that has been artificially aged. The magnet has been degaussed and the cover has been distresses along with the screws so as to appear vintage. Everything is done to make these pups as close to an original that you would buy from a collector that was out of a guitar that was played everyday and gigged with. They have complex mids and are smooth. They are available in A2 or A5 magnet varieties. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The 59---The 59 is the quintessential A5 PAF (patent applied for) pup. Imagine getting in a time machine and going back to 1959 and swiping a brand new A5 pup from the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo and bringing it forward to today. They have found most homes in many neck slots. It has symetrical coils and lots of quack. It has thumping bass, a scooped mid, and cutting highs. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The Seth Lover---This pup is as true to the original as can be. This pup is unpotted and comes standard with a gold, or nickel pup cover. It has an A2 magnet and has good quack and fair mids. For this pup imagine going back in time to 1955 and grabbing one of the very first PAF's before they debuted in the LP's. This pup is warm and creamy, but can also get bright with the tone knob on 10. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The Alnico 2 Pro---The warmest of the Duncan PAF line. It has symetrical coils and is a modern take on the A2 PAFs. It has round bass and smooth treble, it also has lots of mids to make the guitar really sing. It will warm up the coldest or shrillest of guitars. The most well known Alnico 2 Pro user is Slash of Velvet Revolver and GNR. Standard 4 Conductor Wire
Pearly Gates---The PG is the hottest of the Duncan PAF line. It has asymetrical (mismatched) coils and an A2 magnet. The mismatched coils give this particular pup its rude personality. It has a frequency push in the Presence/Cut knob frequency band. This is the "Sizzle" PG owner talk about. It has the most mids of the Ducan PAF line and is also the hottest. Its patron is Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top. Standard 4 conductor Wire
The Jazz---The jazz is the pup that bridges the gap between Vintage and Modern pups. Its output is at or around the vintage level. Don't let the name fool you this pup is very versatile and smooth. It has an A5 magnet and is very widely used in the neck slot. It is articulate regardless of the tuning as well. This pup negociates cleans or overdrive very well. Standard 4 Conductor Wire
The Custom Series---The Custom Series is all on pup configuration but with different magnets. The coils are symmetrical and the pups come with Standard 4 Conductor wire
Custom---The Custom is a PAF kicked up a few notches. This pup gets its aggressive edge from its Ceramic magnet. This pup has lots of grind with good treble and midrange. It also has ample bass for palm mute playing.
Custom Custom---The Custom Custom is a midrange heavy pup that lends itself to leads and warming bright guitars. This pup gets its huge midrange from the Alnico 2 magnet. I has smooth bass and treble. Essentially it is an overwound A2 PAF.
Custom 5---The Custom 5 is a pup with an EQ very identical to The 59. It has thumping bass, scooped mids, and cutting treble. Like the 59 it is a bright pup that will liven up dark guitar, but the bass can be overwhelming in a bassy guitar, or the the treble overwhelming in a trebly guitar.
Ain't no thing man. Here's an old comparison I did years ago.
Antiquity---A pup that is hand made by Seymour or MJ that has been artificially aged. The magnet has been degaussed and the cover has been distresses along with the screws so as to appear vintage. Everything is done to make these pups as close to an original that you would buy from a collector that was out of a guitar that was played everyday and gigged with. They have complex mids and are smooth. They are available in A2 or A5 magnet varieties. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The 59---The 59 is the quintessential A5 PAF (patent applied for) pup. Imagine getting in a time machine and going back to 1959 and swiping a brand new A5 pup from the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo and bringing it forward to today. They have found most homes in many neck slots. It has symetrical coils and lots of quack. It has thumping bass, a scooped mid, and cutting highs. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The Seth Lover---This pup is as true to the original as can be. This pup is unpotted and comes standard with a gold, or nickel pup cover. It has an A2 magnet and has good quack and fair mids. For this pup imagine going back in time to 1955 and grabbing one of the very first PAF's before they debuted in the LP's. This pup is warm and creamy, but can also get bright with the tone knob on 10. Vintage Single Conductor Wire
The Alnico 2 Pro---The warmest of the Duncan PAF line. It has symetrical coils and is a modern take on the A2 PAFs. It has round bass and smooth treble, it also has lots of mids to make the guitar really sing. It will warm up the coldest or shrillest of guitars. The most well known Alnico 2 Pro user is Slash of Velvet Revolver and GNR. Standard 4 Conductor Wire
Pearly Gates---The PG is the hottest of the Duncan PAF line. It has asymetrical (mismatched) coils and an A2 magnet. The mismatched coils give this particular pup its rude personality. It has a frequency push in the Presence/Cut knob frequency band. This is the "Sizzle" PG owner talk about. It has the most mids of the Ducan PAF line and is also the hottest. Its patron is Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top. Standard 4 conductor Wire
The Jazz---The jazz is the pup that bridges the gap between Vintage and Modern pups. Its output is at or around the vintage level. Don't let the name fool you this pup is very versatile and smooth. It has an A5 magnet and is very widely used in the neck slot. It is articulate regardless of the tuning as well. This pup negociates cleans or overdrive very well. Standard 4 Conductor Wire
The Custom Series---The Custom Series is all on pup configuration but with different magnets. The coils are symmetrical and the pups come with Standard 4 Conductor wire
Custom---The Custom is a PAF kicked up a few notches. This pup gets its aggressive edge from its Ceramic magnet. This pup has lots of grind with good treble and midrange. It also has ample bass for palm mute playing.
Custom Custom---The Custom Custom is a midrange heavy pup that lends itself to leads and warming bright guitars. This pup gets its huge midrange from the Alnico 2 magnet. I has smooth bass and treble. Essentially it is an overwound A2 PAF.
Custom 5---The Custom 5 is a pup with an EQ very identical to The 59. It has thumping bass, scooped mids, and cutting treble. Like the 59 it is a bright pup that will liven up dark guitar, but the bass can be overwhelming in a bassy guitar, or the the treble overwhelming in a trebly guitar.
Micah
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
When you say "Warm" are you referring to the lack of edge and rounder character to it? I would definatly say that it has a little bit more of a rounded tone and definatly less edge when compared to the custom.
When I think of "fat" in terms of tone, I think of a scooped mid range with a deal of bass and a deal of treble, causeing your pick attack to be slower and a less "tight" fell to the strings. Tighter would be more mid range for a sharper, more urgent feel to the strings. Tighter to me is a more muscular "physically fit" tone as opposed to a fat kid running down the field which is slower. The Custom Custom is definatly not a "Fat" pickup when your referring to pick response and urgency. Its got a sharp, stiff feel to the strings which is great for allot of gain if the power output and eq are what you are looking for. Its got allot of "growl" due to the lack of bottom end and mid-rangy character of the magnet in combination with the medium hot wind (compared to say a Distortion 16K wind which would be a darker tone).
When you say "Warm" are you referring to the lack of edge and rounder character to it? I would definatly say that it has a little bit more of a rounded tone and definatly less edge when compared to the custom.
When I think of "fat" in terms of tone, I think of a scooped mid range with a deal of bass and a deal of treble, causeing your pick attack to be slower and a less "tight" fell to the strings. Tighter would be more mid range for a sharper, more urgent feel to the strings. Tighter to me is a more muscular "physically fit" tone as opposed to a fat kid running down the field
which is slower. The Custom Custom is definatly not a "Fat" pickup when your referring to pick response and urgency. Its got a sharp, stiff feel to the strings which is great for allot of gain if the power output and eq are what you are looking for. Its got allot of "growl" due to the lack of bottom end and mid-rangy character of the magnet in combination with the medium hot wind (compared to say a Distortion 16K wind which would be a darker tone).Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
More in that area, yes.
I want my bridge to be fuller, I already put a 250k pot, and it helped a lot!
But still there's that bottom vs high end thing...
I prefer more bottom than high end. I can always twick the EQ on the amp, and since I use Marshall w/V30...
More in that area, yes.
I want my bridge to be fuller, I already put a 250k pot, and it helped a lot!
But still there's that bottom vs high end thing...
I prefer more bottom than high end. I can always twick the EQ on the amp, and since I use Marshall w/V30...
Micah
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Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
An ESP M-II from '02:
Alder body
Maple Neck w/ Rosewood board
Floyd Rose
1Volume pot (250k, at the moment)
at the moment it has a 59/C set
I'm thinking A2Pro for the neck, my doubt is the bridge... A2Pro? CC? PATBs?
An ESP M-II from '02:
Alder body
Maple Neck w/ Rosewood board
Floyd Rose
1Volume pot (250k, at the moment)
at the moment it has a 59/C set
I'm thinking A2Pro for the neck, my doubt is the bridge... A2Pro? CC? PATBs?
Re: Wich is warmer/fatter CC or PATB series?
I was wondering about the output because I have a Custom in a LP and love the sound, but don't want to have to change the volume on the amp everytime I switch guitars. And during a show I do change quite a bit
I was wondering about the output because I have a Custom in a LP and love the sound, but don't want to have to change the volume on the amp everytime I switch guitars. And during a show I do change quite a bit