mrturtle_91
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How do these things sound? I hear they are nothing like gibson buckers, so how would you describe the sound. I'm considering this guitar as my next purchase, so I want to have an idea on the sound before I go and try it out.
"Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
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BadHairDayologist
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
They sound great. Using one of these and a Fender Blues Jr. i got some really great heavy rock tones, could use the volume knob to clean it up and get really close to traditional Tele twang...pretty much everything I asked it to do was available just by tweaking the knobs on the guitar. With an OD pedal metal would've been no problem.
I wanna get one and do the Jimmy Page mod to it. Then i'd be unstoppable.
They sound great. Using one of these and a Fender Blues Jr. i got some really great heavy rock tones, could use the volume knob to clean it up and get really close to traditional Tele twang...pretty much everything I asked it to do was available just by tweaking the knobs on the guitar. With an OD pedal metal would've been no problem.
I wanna get one and do the Jimmy Page mod to it. Then i'd be unstoppable.
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
cool...I'd be playing a lot of harder stuff on it, like punk rock, but also a bit of softer stuff clean, or with an acoustic simulator...do they have nice tight bass, and are they muddy at all? are the high strings shrill at all?
cool...I'd be playing a lot of harder stuff on it, like punk rock, but also a bit of softer stuff clean, or with an acoustic simulator...do they have nice tight bass, and are they muddy at all? are the high strings shrill at all?
CHESAPEAKE
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
Those pickups sound great. I saw a band a few years back, " blues - rock " - and the guitarist was playing a black re-issue tele with those, through a Crate 50 Watt head and a Marshall cab. Good PA too. They sounded awsome. GO FOR IT
Those pickups sound great. I saw a band a few years back, " blues - rock " - and the guitarist was playing a black re-issue tele with those, through a Crate 50 Watt head and a Marshall cab. Good PA too. They sounded awsome. GO FOR IT
Zhangliqun
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
I don't know about the originals but the reissues sound like pure mud, especially in the neck position.
I don't know about the originals but the reissues sound like pure mud, especially in the neck position.
idsnowdog
Imperator of Indignation
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
If I remember correctly the originals had individual cunife magnets for the polepieces, it also may have been wired parallel rather than series? The new fender wide ranges are little different from any other OEM. Also the new fender tele's don't use the same pot values as the originals.
If I remember correctly the originals had individual cunife magnets for the polepieces, it also may have been wired parallel rather than series? The new fender wide ranges are little different from any other OEM. Also the new fender tele's don't use the same pot values as the originals.
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
muddy isn't a plus for me...I'll have to try them out to see if I like them or not, if I don't, I could always get a pickguard cut for regular sized humbuckers, and I'm sure I could trade the wide-range buckers with someone on here. I still need to decide on what guitar I want though. Hopefully I can get a new axe within the next week or two.
muddy isn't a plus for me...I'll have to try them out to see if I like them or not, if I don't, I could always get a pickguard cut for regular sized humbuckers, and I'm sure I could trade the wide-range buckers with someone on here. I still need to decide on what guitar I want though. Hopefully I can get a new axe within the next week or two.
danglybanger
ReelItInologist
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
...the RI's ARE normal humbuckers voiced to sound like wide ranges. They do the job fairly well actually but still.
The problem with the RIs is that for some stupid reason they put 250k pots in them which muds them up (originals had 1 meg pots)
click here for a comparison before/after pot switching to 1 meg...
...the RI's ARE normal humbuckers voiced to sound like wide ranges. They do the job fairly well actually but still.
The problem with the RIs is that for some stupid reason they put 250k pots in them which muds them up (originals had 1 meg pots)
click here for a comparison before/after pot switching to 1 meg...
CHESAPEAKE
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
I heard what I heard gentlemen - did this guy have 500K Pots in his guitar ? Who knows, I didn't ask. It made me want to go out and buy one of those tele's the next day. I said WANT. Didn't have the cash-flow at the time.......
I heard what I heard gentlemen - did this guy have 500K Pots in his guitar ? Who knows, I didn't ask. It made me want to go out and buy one of those tele's the next day. I said WANT. Didn't have the cash-flow at the time.......
viewaskew2k5
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
Hmmmmm i might get one of the riogrande one's....they are about 15k though..bit to much..will that lower if i replace the a5 mags with a2?? Or i should just try the 1meg pot..hmmm..
Hmmmmm i might get one of the riogrande one's....they are about 15k though..bit to much..will that lower if i replace the a5 mags with a2?? Or i should just try the 1meg pot..hmmm..
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
I actually like the sound of the 250k pots over the 1 meg ones.
I actually like the sound of the 250k pots over the 1 meg ones.
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
Now that I listen to it a second time, the difference between the 250k pots and the 1 meg one don't sound all that different to me.
Now that I listen to it a second time, the difference between the 250k pots and the 1 meg one don't sound all that different to me.
danglybanger
ReelItInologist
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
...I go back and forth on the clips he played between the 1meg and 250k, the 1meg sounds nice, livelier and brighter to me, more chimey and "magical" but on some of the passages he plays, the extra bass sounds good...
...I go back and forth on the clips he played between the 1meg and 250k, the 1meg sounds nice, livelier and brighter to me, more chimey and "magical" but on some of the passages he plays, the extra bass sounds good...
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
You're right, they are normal humbuckers with a bar mag underneath instead of adjustable cunife mag poles on the originals. I rewound an RI for a guy so I had to take it apart and obviously learned their basic construction in the process. The bobbins are much wider than standard humbucker bobbins but the bar mag is standard size.
250k pots don't exactly help, but at least on this neck model I worked on, I doubt a 2 meg pot or even main-lining it directly to the output jack with no tone or volume would have de-mudded it. The main problem is the cover, which is thick enough to stop an anti-tank round. (All other things being equal, the thicker the cover, the more of a tone-killer it is.) The second problem is they're just wound too hot. This neck model was 12k with 43 wire, which translates to about 9.0-9.5k worth of 42.
In other words, it's just a sure-fire recipe for MUD-MUD-MUD, the only cure for which is a low-7 wind and throw the cover out in the street.
You're right, they are normal humbuckers with a bar mag underneath instead of adjustable cunife mag poles on the originals. I rewound an RI for a guy so I had to take it apart and obviously learned their basic construction in the process. The bobbins are much wider than standard humbucker bobbins but the bar mag is standard size.
250k pots don't exactly help, but at least on this neck model I worked on, I doubt a 2 meg pot or even main-lining it directly to the output jack with no tone or volume would have de-mudded it. The main problem is the cover, which is thick enough to stop an anti-tank round. (All other things being equal, the thicker the cover, the more of a tone-killer it is.) The second problem is they're just wound too hot. This neck model was 12k with 43 wire, which translates to about 9.0-9.5k worth of 42.
In other words, it's just a sure-fire recipe for MUD-MUD-MUD, the only cure for which is a low-7 wind and throw the cover out in the street.
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
On that clip they didn't sound too muddy to me, I actually quite liked how they sound. As I said before though, I need to try it myself before I make any conclusions.
On that clip they didn't sound too muddy to me, I actually quite liked how they sound. As I said before though, I need to try it myself before I make any conclusions.
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
That's why I don't trust soundclips. Different rig, different rig settings, different strings, different pick, different touch. I need to feel the guitar or pickup respond to me to really know. And I did play through this Widerange.
That said, I don't claim to be the last word on any pickup. You may still get one later on and end up liking it and come back here and say, that Zhang guy is full of crap -- because maybe it responds better to your rig and touch than mine.
That's why I don't trust soundclips. Different rig, different rig settings, different strings, different pick, different touch. I need to feel the guitar or pickup respond to me to really know. And I did play through this Widerange.
That said, I don't claim to be the last word on any pickup. You may still get one later on and end up liking it and come back here and say, that Zhang guy is full of crap -- because maybe it responds better to your rig and touch than mine.
larry_emder
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
That clip sounded good to me. And how good was that distortion sound for a software modeler
That clip sounded good to me. And how good was that distortion sound for a software modeler
mrturtle_91
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
yeah, it's hard to know with sound clips...I'll see how I like them when I play one...I love the look of the tele deluxe, so as I said, if I decide to get one, and I don't like the wide range buckers, I can always get a new pickguard and some gibson style buckers.
yeah, it's hard to know with sound clips...I'll see how I like them when I play one...I love the look of the tele deluxe, so as I said, if I decide to get one, and I don't like the wide range buckers, I can always get a new pickguard and some gibson style buckers.
viewaskew2k5
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Re: "Wide Range" Humbuckers on '72 tele deluxe reissue
I mean you could get it re-wound, tapped and split, and just take the neck off. Pair it with a Tele Hot tapped....vintage and modern!
I mean you could get it re-wound, tapped and split, and just take the neck off. Pair it with a Tele Hot tapped....vintage and modern!
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