rogersmasson
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Have an "everything" 3 pu set in my guitar (lil 59, duckbucker, jb jr). Want to rewire it with 3 push/pull pots to give me more tone options. Is there a wiring diagram available for this?
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Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
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Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
There is not a diagram called the 'more tone with 3 push-pulls'.
However if you give us an idea of what you want the p-p's to do we might have a hope of devising something.
And the p-p electrically is separate to the regular wiring, so you can actually connect like the regular strat style wiring, then simply wire the pickups to their normal positions via the p-p
There is not a diagram called the 'more tone with 3 push-pulls'.
However if you give us an idea of what you want the p-p's to do we might have a hope of devising something.
And the p-p electrically is separate to the regular wiring, so you can actually connect like the regular strat style wiring, then simply wire the pickups to their normal positions via the p-p
rogersmasson
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Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
Hey AlexR, thanks for the reply.
I'd like to be able to do these things...
-switch between dual/single coil on each pu
-engage bridge and neck pu's at the same time
-engage all pu's at the same time
-flip phase on any of the pu's
Whoa, this is starting to sound a bit more like a Brian May setup. I'm in the studio all day, and would like to have a guitar that my artists can explore tones with. Absolutely love the pu set, and it's been on many albums at this point, but always searching for more, and different, tones.
Thanks again for your help.
Hey AlexR, thanks for the reply.
I'd like to be able to do these things...
-switch between dual/single coil on each pu
-engage bridge and neck pu's at the same time
-engage all pu's at the same time
-flip phase on any of the pu's
Whoa, this is starting to sound a bit more like a Brian May setup. I'm in the studio all day, and would like to have a guitar that my artists can explore tones with. Absolutely love the pu set, and it's been on many albums at this point, but always searching for more, and different, tones.
Thanks again for your help.
Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
Flipping phase will take 1 p-p per pickup.
You might be able to do coil cuts on 1 push pull, as you can do 2 at max per switch. The duckbucker isn't worth a split as its normal sound is like that. In this scenario both pickups couldn't be independently split.
The other two are quite connected - you can use a p-p to engage the bridge pickup to the output of the switch irrespective of the switch position. So in the neck setting you get B & N, and in the N/M setting you get all.
So this is 5 switches you need, or 6 if you want to have independent control of coil cuts.
Flipping phase will take 1 p-p per pickup.
You might be able to do coil cuts on 1 push pull, as you can do 2 at max per switch. The duckbucker isn't worth a split as its normal sound is like that. In this scenario both pickups couldn't be independently split.
The other two are quite connected - you can use a p-p to engage the bridge pickup to the output of the switch irrespective of the switch position. So in the neck setting you get B & N, and in the N/M setting you get all.
So this is 5 switches you need, or 6 if you want to have independent control of coil cuts.
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Yeah, lots of luck with that project.
Not that it can't be done, but you will have so many switches that you won't be able to remember which does what. And that's assuming that you are going to be using a guitar that you don't mind drilling a few holes in.
Many of the possible tones will sound just horrible, and most of them will never get used, and the wiring is going to be very complicated and require a great deal of soldering/wiring skills.
Are you sure this is something you want to go forward with?!
Yeah, lots of luck with that project.
Not that it can't be done, but you will have so many switches that you won't be able to remember which does what. And that's assuming that you are going to be using a guitar that you don't mind drilling a few holes in.
Many of the possible tones will sound just horrible, and most of them will never get used, and the wiring is going to be very complicated and require a great deal of soldering/wiring skills.
Are you sure this is something you want to go forward with?!
Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
Interesting idea, but as GuitarDoc stated, there would most likely be many positions you don't use or are unusable. If it is just options you want, you could get something like the Toneshaper ($$) to narrow what you want to just a few options but let you experiment with them all. Currently, you'd have to add several switches to hardwire it, and getting from one sound to another would be a series of complicated dances.
Interesting idea, but as GuitarDoc stated, there would most likely be many positions you don't use or are unusable. If it is just options you want, you could get something like the Toneshaper ($$) to narrow what you want to just a few options but let you experiment with them all. Currently, you'd have to add several switches to hardwire it, and getting from one sound to another would be a series of complicated dances.
rogersmasson
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Cool, thanks for all the info, really appreciate it. I'll check out the tonshaper!
Cool, thanks for all the info, really appreciate it. I'll check out the tonshaper!
rogersmasson
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Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
Cool deal, thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. Solid point on the duckbucker, hadn't really considered that. I'll keep crunching away. If I drop the phase issue, and just roll with being able to split the N and B, have N and B engaged at the same time, and have all on as well...is that more of a doable thing?
Cool deal, thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. Solid point on the duckbucker, hadn't really considered that. I'll keep crunching away. If I drop the phase issue, and just roll with being able to split the N and B, have N and B engaged at the same time, and have all on as well...is that more of a doable thing?
rogersmasson
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Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
Hey GuitarDoc, thanks for taking the time, really appreciate it. No, not convinced I want to head down this road. I'm always finding myself searching for tone in the studio though, and feeling left with having to make compromises on sonics. My whole thing is to keep as much of the digital technology away from the music as possible, for as long as possible. So, if I can get what I need at the guitar/amp, I'd rather be able to do it. Even if that means having a rig with a bunch of switches. Completely hear you though, and appreciate your thoughts on this. 80% of the time I'm good to go, it's just those 20% sessions where I'm thinking, "man, if I could only do ... with this guitar!" It's really the coil splits, and the ability to engage the neck/bridge pickups, that matter to me most.
Hey GuitarDoc, thanks for taking the time, really appreciate it. No, not convinced I want to head down this road. I'm always finding myself searching for tone in the studio though, and feeling left with having to make compromises on sonics. My whole thing is to keep as much of the digital technology away from the music as possible, for as long as possible. So, if I can get what I need at the guitar/amp, I'd rather be able to do it. Even if that means having a rig with a bunch of switches. Completely hear you though, and appreciate your thoughts on this. 80% of the time I'm good to go, it's just those 20% sessions where I'm thinking, "man, if I could only do ... with this guitar!" It's really the coil splits, and the ability to engage the neck/bridge pickups, that matter to me most.
Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
A split for N&B can be done with 1 switch. Of course you will then have both pickups tied to the same switch there, so no changing from say neck split to full bridge without also pushing the splitting pot as well.
I'd almost try for a series/parallel switching which is also hum cancelling (and a very close to split tone too). That would take 2 pots worth. The third being a 'bridge always on' switch.
A split for N&B can be done with 1 switch. Of course you will then have both pickups tied to the same switch there, so no changing from say neck split to full bridge without also pushing the splitting pot as well.
I'd almost try for a series/parallel switching which is also hum cancelling (and a very close to split tone too). That would take 2 pots worth. The third being a 'bridge always on' switch.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Wiring diagram for 3 push/pull potentiometers...
To be really honest, For studio work wanting multiple "good" guitar tones different guitars with different pickups would give a much better and much wider palette to work from than trying to find fancy wiring tricks. Out of phase is kinda gimmicky and generally only useful some times on special parts. Same with splitting the little humbuckers. You might find it useful here and there but the tones are something of a compromise.
A way you could get an array of tones without it being too taxing to wire would be to remove the blade switch and add 3 toggles. They would go On-off-split or in the case of the middle pickup just on off. This way you could access any pickup combo. The downside is that many players dont find the toggles intuitive and if you have a guy who slams from bridge to neck to do a single passage during a solo he might find the two step pickup switch cumbersome.
Then if you wanted you could add a phase control to one of the knobs as a push pull.
But all that being said I think multiple guitars would give much more gratifying tones... especially for studio work.
To be really honest, For studio work wanting multiple "good" guitar tones different guitars with different pickups would give a much better and much wider palette to work from than trying to find fancy wiring tricks. Out of phase is kinda gimmicky and generally only useful some times on special parts. Same with splitting the little humbuckers. You might find it useful here and there but the tones are something of a compromise.
A way you could get an array of tones without it being too taxing to wire would be to remove the blade switch and add 3 toggles. They would go On-off-split or in the case of the middle pickup just on off. This way you could access any pickup combo. The downside is that many players dont find the toggles intuitive and if you have a guy who slams from bridge to neck to do a single passage during a solo he might find the two step pickup switch cumbersome.
Then if you wanted you could add a phase control to one of the knobs as a push pull.
But all that being said I think multiple guitars would give much more gratifying tones... especially for studio work.
rogersmasson
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Great quotes at the bottom of your page by the way
Great quotes at the bottom of your page by the way
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