Wiring help?

Guitmech

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Hey folks. I'm new to the forum so bear with me.

I'm a tinkerer. Nothing I have can stay stock for long. I just ordered a Strat from Sweetwater a month ago and before it had even been delivered I was out buying parts for it and getting ideas for it together.

Okay so to the point.
I have an American Standard Telecaster that I did A LOT of modifying to. Routed out the body to accommodate Bridge and Neck humbuckers, ordered a pickguard from Warmoth, put a new bridge on it and made it an HSH. The pickups I put in it were the Seymour Duncan P-Rails set, and in the middle position, I put the Texas Special Telecaster Neck pickup because I've always loved the tone of that shiny little *****! I put 2 DPDT on/off/on switches in the pickguard so I could use the P-Rails to their full potential, and because I LOVE my Les Paul so much, I ordered some 500k stacked pots so I could have individual volume and tone for the bridge and neck pickups. For the middle pickup, I wired it up to its own volume pot and made it a blender, so it was wired straight to the output jack and was on all the time unless I rolled the volume back completely. Brent Mason inspired. And all of that while still maintaining a stock 3-way switch.

NOW... It worked SUPERBLY in that configuration, but I wasn't happy with the sound of the P-Rails in that guitar. I decided to put an SH-5 Custom (my favorite) in the bridge, and an SH-2n Jazz in the neck. Since I didn't have any need for a series/split/parallel mod, I pulled the 2 on/off/on switches out and replaced them with a pair of DPDT on/off (or on/on, I can't remember) switches, simply because I don't like push/pull pots, and I still wanted to be able to split the coils manually rather than wire it up with an auto-split setup. Now wiring up a coil split on a Duncan is no problem. Done it a thousand times. But here's where things got really complicated (i.e. It DIDN'T WORK).
I pulled the standard 3-way blade pickup selector, and put in a 5-way pickup selector switch, because I want to have Stratocaster style switching for the pickups, (while manually having to split the coils). And as I said earlier, the Bridge and Neck pickups each have their own individual volume and tone. And the "blender" pot that was on the middle pickup's circuit, well... I decided that I wanted the pickup to be wired onto the selector switch now so the guitar could function like a Stratocaster, but I want the middle pickup to have its own volume. No tone, just volume. AND (not that this one is a big deal, it's pretty cut and dry how to wire this one up) I'm going to install a momentary push-button killswitch as well. It's a normally open type switch, so I just run 2 more words to the hot and ground tabs at the output jack and wire the switch to that.

So anyways I guess what I'm asking is, does anyone out there know how I would wire this thing up PROPERLY? I THOUGHT I did it right but when I tested it, position 5 (neck): only the screw coil of the humbucker was active with the coil split switch in either position. Position 4 (neck and middle): worked fine. Position 3 (middle only): worked fine. Position 2 (middle and bridge): only the bridge worked and even when I tried to split the coils, it did nothing, the pickup was still in full humbucker mode. Position 1 (bridge only): NOTHING AT ALL!

Can anyone help? I guess the only issue that I'm having is, how do I wire up (bridge) Volume and Tone, (neck) Volume and Tone, and (middle) Volume, all to a standard Fender 5-way switch?

I've always had trouble understanding how the 5-way switch works and which terminals do what. I know the hot lead from each pickup goes to its own terminal, and I know there's a jumper in there somewhere, but I just confused myself when I tried to dig into it and figure it out.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Maybe I NEED to order a Super Switch? I don't know, but in any case, it's a *****! I've included an image of the guitar when I had the P-Rails in it. This way you can see how I configured the Volume/Tone pots and the switches.image.jpg
 
Re: Wiring help?

Welcome to the forum.

You absolutely have to provide clear photos of all the wiring points for anyone else to troubleshoot it.

Based on the description, if you pulled an on-off-on switch and replaced it with an on-off without significantly redoing the wiring, then I suspect you've probably wired it as always split coil or nothing.

What drawings were you working off of to wire it in the first place?
 
Re: Wiring help?

When I did this setup, it was still using the telecaster 3-way switch. So doing a 2 volume 2 tone setup was easy to figure out by referring to a Les Paul diagram. For the middle pickup, I just looked up the Brent Mason Telecaster diagram and went off of that. And for the on/off/on switches, I went just used the little diagram that came with the P-Rails pickups because it had the diagram for either a push/pull pot or a 3 way mini toggle. I had to look through a few different diagrams to come up with it and I would certainly provide a picture of the most recent wiring attempt, but I desoldered most of it so that I could basically take a step back, catch my breath and start fresh.
 
Re: Wiring help?

Before you get started (again), I think you need to get a basic understanding of switches. Chances are you didn't have on/off/on switches to get series/split/parallel. They were probably on/on/on. And you probably don't have DPDT on/off switches. I've never heard of such a switch. They are probably either SPST, or DPST (since in an "on/off", the common terminals, or "poles", are only making contact with one "throw"), or they are DPDT on/on (in which case the common poles are contacting either of two "throws").

You admit that you "always had trouble understanding how the 5-way switch works and which terminals do what", and that is obvious from your description of the results you are getting. If you are going to manually split the humbuckers with separate switches, you don't need a superswitch, a standard 5 way Strat switch will work fine.

You are going to need to use parts of several different diagrams. This first one shows your basic setup. Ignore the volume pots and run the output wire from the switch directly to the tip of the output jack:
http://d2pzqzfqz0w13y.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/HSH_5W_1VppSPL.jpg

This one shows how to wire a manual split switch for the neck or bridge pup. It shows a p/p switch, but a mini toggle switch is wired just the same. Wire from the output lug on the vol pot to the respective lug on the 5 way Strat switch. (You already know how to wire the vol pot to the tone pot so that's not shown) :
http://d2pzqzfqz0w13y.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/WD_Coil_Splitting.jpg

The middle pup will be wired to its own vol pot as in this diagram. But instead of going to the output jack, you will wire it to its respective lug on the 5 way switch (refer to the first diagram):
http://d2pzqzfqz0w13y.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1S_1V.jpg
 
Re: Wiring help?

Hey THANK YOU GuitarDoc! Yeah I guess it would be better suited in pickup lounge but please forgive me as I'm BRAND NEW to the forum. I need to play around on here a little bit and learn the ins and outs but regardless, I appreciate your help. I apologize for not responding sooner, as I've been working 17 hr shifts at work and it's been hectic as were preparing for winter weather.
Since I have a little time though, I'm going to start working on it now, thanks again for the info and I'm sure I'll be able to get it this time. I'll let you know how it all works out as soon as I get it finished.
 
Re: Wiring help?

Got it! Followed your instructions and combined a few schematics including yours. Wound up putting an SH-PG1n in the neck and an SH-16 in the bridge. All I have to do is string er up and I'll be rockin again!
 
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