x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

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I recently migrated my circa 2004 EMU-1820m PCI card (called the "1010") over to my powerhouse PC (i7-4770K, 32GB RAM, 4TB HDD, NZXT liquid cooling, Lian Li PCD600 case, ASUS Maximus VI Formula mobo, etc). I had to buy a PCIe-PCI card (no PCI slots!) and use a dremel to open up the cooling hose hole in the case for it all to work; which it does very well now.

In my quest for a groovy x64 DAW, I'm finding some strange stuff.

Pro Tools 12 only supports AAX plugins. RTAS (not anymore) and (of course) VST, nope (unless you use a wrapper, which is iffy). And as you can surmise, not everyone has re-written their plugins to AAX format.

Adobe Audition CC 2015 still doesn't support MIDI. You heard right: no MIDI whatsoever.

Well, what a bunch of crap.

So I've been fiddling with Reaper x64. Interface looks a lot better than last time I messed with it (10-ish years ago).

So far, so good. Reaper even has a sort of built-in wrapper to allow you to use old 32bit plugins (I still have a ton of faves that I don't want to let go).

I'll still keep PT12 & AA CC2015 on hand of course, but looks like I'll be working mainly with (don't fear) the Reaper.
 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

Adobe expect you to use Audition as a Rewire host for a second DAW sequencing program.

 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

That's just ridiculous. Besides, Audition used to support MIDI in version 3.

Ever since Adobe acquired Cool Edit Pro back in the early 2Ks they've managed to screw everything up.

Which figures for a company who knows jack poop about music production and everything about graphic design.

Even their Creative Cloud model is crap... and a ripoff. Used to be, when you paid $$$ for software, it was yours to keep.
 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

LLL said:
Ever since Adobe acquired Cool Edit Pro back in the early 2Ks they've managed to screw everything up. Which figures for a company who knows jack poop about music production and everything about graphic design.
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I agree.
 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

LLL said:
That's just ridiculous. Besides, Audition used to support MIDI in version 3.

Ever since Adobe acquired Cool Edit Pro back in the early 2Ks they've managed to screw everything up.

Which figures for a company who knows jack poop about music production and everything about graphic design.

Even their Creative Cloud model is crap... and a ripoff. Used to be, when you paid $$$ for software, it was yours to keep.
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If Adobe's offices burned down overnight with no loss of human life the world would be better off for it.

Flash is Internet cancer. Every other product they touch has turned to garbage.
 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

Of course, AAX is an Avid proprietary format... they said they did it so PT could upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit, with "no noticeable difference in sound quality" between native and DSP-based systems.
I'm not buying it (neither literally nor figuratively).

Avid wants to keep all the ProToolers from migrating over to other DAWs. That's why the AAX/subscription model was implemented in 2012.

For less than the price of a decent mid-line guitar, you can get 64-bit, multi-track workstation software that records and plays back to .wav format, in whatever file resolution you choose.
With increasing support for MIDI, and basic video editing (titles, cuts & fades) to boot!
WITHOUT that annoying iLok.
No-brainer to me.
 
Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

Welcome to the club, mate.

I'm not bashing PT as I refused working with that a couple of years ago, on the PT9-HD (Highly Dumb). Back then when it was 32bit, my boss thought that I was joking when I told him that he should let me edit drums in Reaper because I can record/mix/edit/master a whole album in a single session. He was shocked to see that it was not a joke at all. Math is math: a X64 system with 16G RAM >>> 32bit system with 4GB RAM.

About the 32-bit bridge of Reaper, use it sparingly. If you throw in too many old 32-bit plug-ins you may run into session load issues as the 32-bit bridge can't handle all the calculations starting at once. It's not a bug just a simple memory mapping crash of the OS. Quick solution is: If you wish to use your old plug-ins, just save the session with all plug-ins turned off, like it was a mixing console with outboard units. Such a "bypass session" should load with no issues and you can engage all your plug-ins one afther another using the per-channel effect on/off button. Once all the old plug-ins managed to place themselves in the system memory step by step, the session should run stable. Anyway, mind that a session with 32-bit plug-ins can be somewhat instable compared to X64-only sessions but it's a rather small trade-off for keeping some essential old stuff in the active service.

Good old Audition... I feel really sorry to see that ruined by now. It was fine stuff during its golden days. I'm still using my 3.0 for mastering / finalising with an old dedicated 32-bit machine. I love the clarity of many of its in-house effects and its precise wave editor and all the analysis tools. It is some swiss army knife of mastering, much more flexible than anything else IMO. I am happy that instead of upgrading the software I kept the old v3.0 edition on an old machine.
 
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Re: x64 Reaper Rules - Pro Tools 12 & Adobe Audition CC 2015 Drools

LLL said:
That's just ridiculous. Besides, Audition used to support MIDI in version 3.

Ever since Adobe acquired Cool Edit Pro back in the early 2Ks they've managed to screw everything up.

Which figures for a company who knows jack poop about music production and everything about graphic design.

Even their Creative Cloud model is crap... and a ripoff. Used to be, when you paid $$$ for software, it was yours to keep.
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As an early Audition user, I disagree with your basic premise. The Adobe acquisition of Cool Edit Pro is the ONLY thing they ever got right. I love the versions before 3.0 and still use my 32bit daw with it though I do have Reaper as a choice. Frankly, I can "sense" the difference between 32bit and 64bit audio, but when it gets dithered down to 16bit audio for most consumer purposes, I do not give a $#_[.
Like the rest of you, I think Adobe's current model is unsustainable for anybody....and I bave always disliked the ProTools versions, since version 1 of Audition can do more, prior to 64bit.
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I agree.
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