You Get What You Pay For. Every Step of the Way.

Gearjoneser

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If there's one thing a musician learns, after spending countless thousands of dollars on electrics, acoustics, amps, FX, accessories, and recording gear, it's that the phrase "you get what you pay for" is not just a myth, but the truth.

Of course, there's always the piece of gear that is a few hundred overpriced, or on the positive side, a piece of gear that's way underpriced, which we always crave. :32: No matter what you think about a certain piece of gear, it's priced based on material quality, build quality, brand recognition, performance, and also what the market will decide. Never forget that guitar price points are based on all the above, but especially by the wood quality and build quality. Recently, imported guitars from Japan, Korea, and Mexico have proven that build quality is becoming a more easily attainable goal.
However, it usually comes down to the wood and design that dictate which guitars will be placed at higher value in the market.
My point is that the phrase 'you get what you pay for' is the truth, more often than not. It's arguable that a $300 guitar can be equal to a $2000 guitar, but the truth of the matter is that there's obviously a valid reason why the $2000 guitar would be worth more. Every step of the way, you can validate why any acoustic guitar would begin at $150 and end at $6500.
It's always a nice thing to get more for your money, but in the retail market, you tend to pay what the market will bear for any said product.

I know I'm stating this as if it's a fact, but I'm curious to hear some opinions from others about the sliding scale we call 'you get what you pay for.'
 
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I'm pretty happy with the prices I've paid for all my guitars. I got each one for between $350 and $500. My 120w Ampeg was free, even better! When you buy new though, yes you often get what you pay for. I still don't think there is a reason for a Les Paul to cost $3000 though.
 
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You get what you pay for ...

It's not a cliche, it's a fact of life. I've been let down by crappy gear, crappy friends, and crappy beer. Not no more!! :D
 
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I believe it's true.

But, I also believe in the "Law of Diminishing returns".

For instance, the difference in quality between a $300 guitar and a $600 guitar will generally be more than the difference between a $2000 guitar and a $3000 guitar. In the first example, you're generally paying for better materials, but in the second you're generally paying for fit and finish. For instance, a "10 Top" may look pretty, but that doesn't neccissarily mean it'll sound any better than a normal top of the same build quality...even though you're paying much more.
 
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I am wondering why the SG Classics are only going for $850. I haven't seen a Gibson with neck binding for less that $1200 before these. I haven't had a chance to play one yet.
 
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every now and then, I come across a guitar like Godin that makes me wonder why they don't cost more...
 
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Yes and No.

Some of my best electric guitars are mid 80's Japanese Fenders that I think are just as well made as my '63 Strat. The '63 Strat's worth $5000 or more and my best MIJ Strat (refitted with Duncan Antiquitys) is still only worth $500...maybe.

When it comes to nice acoustic guitars with solid tops, back and sides you do get what you pay for. My Taylor, Martin and Gibson are fairly expensive guitars but nothing for less $$$ would have satisfied me.

And Gearjoneser, after going back and forth on the AC-30 purchase, I decided to pass on the PCB Vox and take your advice:

I sprung for a gorgeous used Matchless SC 30 yesterday! :dance: And I know I'll get what I paid for with the Matchless.

Lew
 
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i have 5 guitars and a bass. and ive played tons of really expensive guitars in stores and everything. yet today i was reminded, one of the best playing and sounding guitars ive had experience with is the one from my LTD starter pack i got for $350. im not joking. the amp was utter ****, but i just love the guitar. hell, when i went to buy it i remember playing a gibson goth v just for fun and the starter played smoother. i always thought its just cause i didnt know jack about guitars back then, but this thing really does kick ass. i havent even changed the pickups. it still has the stock LTDs in there. a friend of mine, whos been playing for 20 years or so, swears by the LTD pickups too. i guess i got lucky with this one. its also rediculously durable too, not a dent or scratch on it (no scratches thanks to the satin finish) and its been through a lot. it really amazes me. cause ive played tons of really awful low-end guitars and starters, but this one really stands out.
 
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Scott_F said:
every now and then, I come across a guitar like Godin that makes me wonder why they don't cost more...

ditto that. I was gonna say that exactly. there are a few gems out there

My martin D-15, granted it costs a bit of money, its taken more abuse, sounded better,and felt better than many cheaper acoustic gutiars ive played, but it doesnt really stand up to some of the more high end acoustics if played. I paid for hwat i got. 520 for a solid (no laminate crap) wood guitar with no frills. raw, pure, tune, and not over the top.

The godin on the other hand, cost me 250. used sd pups cost a total of about 75, and random set ups and electronics put it to maybe 400. While it is not a top of the line godin, its a great, solid, guitar that can take a licking and deliver great tone. It easily stands up to and takes most guitars in, below, and above its price range. It cant be beaten in terms of versatility, and its just a great product, and a great company.

Another ofthose great ones was the crate, a real sleeper. But my effects, i def got what i paid for, decent, nothing special, nothing to kill for
 
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It's true, as long as the money's going to tone quality, not upscale cosmetics
 
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I agree 100%. There are exceptions here and there, but they don't change the rule. It's just like anything else in life, you get what you put in, sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you get screwed.
 
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This is pretty much what I've been advocating, especially as of late. The best thing is upgrading your gear. Just selling your old stuff and shelling out more dough for something that may be even better. It's amazing just how much of a difference there is. I've learned to enjoy all kinds of gear, anything from $10 pawn shop finds to ridiculously expensive pieces. However, there is no denying a great upper end guitar when you play one. I love my G&L, but my Grosh just sounds, and feels better. I use both regularly and enjoy both, but I lean towards the Grosh, especially now that I'm starting up a new band that is actually serious this time around and I want the best tone I can for live playing.

Even expensive gear needs an upgrade to some folks (especially me). I installed a Callaham steel trem block and switched out the Dimarzios for WCRs and I couldn't be happier, it's the best sounding and best feeling guitar I can honestly say I've played, the only one that comes close (I'd say VERY close) is a mint vintage Gibson Les Paul custom shop piece with the original PAFs.

Still, if a hotrodded cheap guitar sounds great, imagine how awesome a top of the line instrument is decked out. All I need on the guitar is the Buzz Feiten system, and maybe one of those Transperformance systems, and I'd be set for life.
 
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Curly said:
It's true, as long as the money's going to tone quality, not upscale cosmetics
If one pays for upscale cosmetics, are you saying they don't get them? You might not think that cosmetics are worth huge upcharges but I don't see how that invalidates the maxim.
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In my experience, you can get a great guitar for not a lot of money...

...but but but but you need to run the racks to get a really good one. I got a kickin' Squier Strat that plays and sounds great but I spent literally months checking out every MIM and Squier Strat in my local GC before I found one that was a keeper.

With amps, there's less tonal variation between amps of the same model but there are still some great values out there, too. However, with bargain-priced amps, you're generally giving up something in terms of features or construction quality. You might be willing to make the compromise because the features aren't important to you but the compromise is there nonetheless.
 
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Yeah, I kinda started this thread because this topic is subjective, like musical taste, but more clearly defined, because of a price. The most interesting pieces of gear, I find, are the ones that deserve to be expensive, but for some reason aren't. Like Scott said about the Godins, and also the point Curly made about the value being valid, till you're talking about pure cosmetics. Many collectors simply target these cheaper gems, only because of their secret greatness. A Matchless amp, or other $3500 amp usually has earned it's high price tag, but the truth is that it only beats a good $1000 amp by a narrow margin. That narrow margin is what defines the differences in personal taste. For the life of me, I'll never understand the wine conoisseur who thinks that a particular taste is worth $100-$1000, but for some reason, with guitars, I can fully understand a $1000 difference between a production line guitar and a luthier made masterpiece. Funny how hobbies/obssessions are all different, but have that one thing in common.
 
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I have to agree on the Godin guitars. They are trying to buy their way into the market, take advantage while you still can!
 
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Curly said:
It's true, as long as the money's going to tone quality, not upscale cosmetics
man that is so true, my bro spent bookoo bucs on the best taylor money can buy. it had fancy inlays and all kinds of neat cosmetic finishing touches. in the end I played it and thought-well its a nice piece of furniture for that price and the tone is very accurate and balanced but in the end? I'd still rather have a plain jane gibson jumbo than that fancy piece of art. - I know, I know, its 2 different kinds of tones but to me a regular ol gibson jumbo just sounds better. :beerchug:
 
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HamerPlyr said:
I have to agree on the Godin guitars. They are trying to buy their way into the market, take advantage while you still can!
Hey I met and talked with Robier Godin a few years back (bout 4 now) he told me his whole philosophy is bang for the buck. he's a value kind of guy. he also told me "ime not going to chase the market trend every 5 seconds to copy the latest leader" -funny though, bout a year later he was makeing strat style guitars. he realy is a good guy and his electric accoustics are great. some of his electrics though were kinda weird but very inovative. :beerchug:
 
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buy used!

Agile PS-900 $100 incl. Duncan Distortion and a gig bag
BC Rich USA Gunslinger incl. Duncan Screamin' Demon tagged at $140, traded a couple cheap crappy guitars and a cheap crappy amp for it
Ibanez AX7521 $200 (NOS) sold for $250
Ibanez RG750 $170
Ibanez RG7620 $209 incl. crappy Kramer/TKL tolex-covered case and all wrenches and the trem bar
Zion Radicaster $700 incl. Schaller security locks, EMG SA set stock
Mesa/Boogie 20/20 Tube Stereo Power Amp $220, sold for $420


i get way more than what i pay for, most of the time hehehehehe
 
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philthis,
one of my friends found one of Bob Taylor's early guitars, made when Bob was at a store here, before he started his company

it was a nice Dreadnought, and sounded close to a Martin to me

he knew someone at the Taylor factory, and held out for a very good trade for a very nice Koa model worth several thousand.

I played the Koa, and told him I liked the tone of the other one better. :)
 
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