@Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

XSSIVE

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You bumped a 12yr old thread of mine for some reason asking about oil finishing a neck where at the time I was just learning about that technique. The thread was filled with misinformation and jokes from others (motor oil lol) and hardly any useful info, so I killed it and am making this one to answer any questions you have since after those 12 years have passed I have oil finished more necks than I can remember and it's the standard finish on the guitars I build.

The oil you want to use is Birchwood Casey Tru-oil, not tung oil or any of that other stuff. Tru-oil is more like a schellac than an oil really in that it fully dries and hardens sealing the wood and layers can be built up to achieve a gloss finish if you wanted that. I don't do gloss finishes with it though, I use it to fully seal the wood yet leave it feeling nearly like raw wood without the hindrance of grain lifting from sweaty hands which is possible with a 100% raw neck. With Tru-oil the necks always stay smooth and sweat and hand oils (as gross as it may sound) actually make the necks feel better over time since your hands are constantly buffing the neck as you play it. You can follow the tru-oil with Birchwood Casey gun stock wax too for a little extra glow to the finish and a slightly slicker feel.

There are loads of techniques for applying it and it's so stupidly easy you really can't mess it up. I've tried loads of peoples methods over the years and they're all valid. My method for a sort of satin finish where it's not bone dry looking but isn't overly glossy is to apply several thin coats over the course of a day usually around 30min to 1 hour apart depending on the neck and how it's soaking up the oil. Touch it and if it's tacky wait a bit longer for the next coat. Some guys like to steel wood or sand between coats, which requires a longer dry time between coats, but I don't find that necessary if you apply thin coats and if you're going for a satin finish. How many coats depends on the neck and how it reacts to the tru-oil and what type of wood it is. Maple necks obviously need less coats than mahogany due to their grain structure and porosity. 3,4,5,6+ coats, no real right or wrong answer, it's more about common sense and making sure the neck is good and coated but not excessively coated since that defeats the point of a thin oil finish. After oiling I let the neck sit overnight to fully cure. The next day I use 0000 steel wool over the entire thing to level it out and give it a drier satin finish. Then buff it vigorously with a clean dry microfiber cloth which will add a bit of a sheen to it making it look a bit less dry. Then I add a few thin coats of gunstock wax again buffing vigorously with a clean dry microfiber cloth and it's done and is satin smooth with just a subtle visual glow to it.

You can see how this method works on all the necks on my guitars... www.DAvanzoGuitars.com and I've posted pics during oiling on instagram and facebook like these...

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Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

Hey Xssive, thanks so much for taking the time for this. Hahahah, I didn't realize the thread was that old. Well, even better for me since you've acquired much more experience. That's totally the finish I'm looking for, close to raw, fast. Your technique sounds pretty straightforward and not too time consuming. I really appreciate you sharing it. I read somewhere, I think, that Tru-Oil has varnish in it. I would go for the Tru-Oil, but don't want any tint, or want minimal tinting. Do you think I'd be OK using your process with clear varnish, then the wax? If so, would I need to cut the varnish at all?

Beautiful guitars on your website, by the way.
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

No problem. I think you're correct that Tru-oil is more of a varnish and not shellac as I mentioned, those terms despite being different get tossed around to mean the same thing when they are in fact different, yet the main point is that it hardens when it dries and layers can be built up making it more of a hard finish than the "oil" in the name implies. The tint from Tru-oil is fairly minor, it's maybe just a hint darker than what you'd see if you wet the wood down with naptha to show the grain. It certainly tints it a bit, but pretty much anything that wets the wood will darken it to some extent. You could always try it on the heel of the neck where it will be hidden in the pocket to see if it darkens it too much. To get the even darker vintage amber like tint on necks (like DA.009 and DA.010 on my site) that's a whole different process and not just tru-oil, so don't consider those an example of tru-oil only. I've never used clear varnish on a neck to know what would happen, sorry. I can only tell you that I know tru-oil is the best neck finish I ever played and that's why it's all I use, never bothered experimenting with applying other stuff but have worked on and played guitars with necks finished in satin poly, gloss poly, acrylic, nitro, super glue (yeah you can finish a whole neck in super glue), tung oil, linsead oil, and raw and I stick to tru-oil.
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

Nice, good to hear your comparison of Tru-Oil to other finishes.

I see now that the tint isn't that severe--looking at the guitars on your website. I assumed the Tru-Oil was darkening necks as dark as the one you've posted in this thread. But something like DA.013, that's Tru-Oil? That level of tint would be fine with me.

Do you do the fretboards with TO as well? From your experience, is there a tonal and/or feel difference between a maple fretboard finished with TO vs Poly? Like, if I took a fretboard finished with poly, removed the poly and refinished it with TO, would it change the tone any?
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

Looking on your instagram, now I see the neck you have on here is mahogany.
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

Every neck on every guitar on my site is finished in tru-oil, the only ones that have another "secret" product used before the tru-oil to get a more vintage tone are DA.009 and DA.010, every other neck is just tru-oil only. I do the entire neck with it if it's all maple, I don't use it on rosewood or ebony fretboards. I've never stripped a poly neck fretboard to know if it was worth the effort.
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

The Tru-Oil stuff is pretty amazing. I use their gun stock oil on the neck of my Music Man...I think that is how they are finished from the factory. You have to apply it every year, but it is worth it, and I have never felt a neck as nice as those.
 
Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

The Tru-Oil stuff is pretty amazing. I use their gun stock oil on the neck of my Music Man...I think that is how they are finished from the factory. You have to apply it every year, but it is worth it, and I have never felt a neck as nice as those.

Music Man stock treatment is tru-oil and a wax mix, I think? I've heard them described as a "gateway" neck - as in "gateway drug" - pretty soon after getting my MM Reflex, I took my Strat neck down to a Tru-oil finish. Not the same, but close!


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Re: @Zaxxon Info on oil finishing a neck.

Yeah, it is a mix of oil and wax. It is thick, like syrup. But man, that stuff is magic.
 
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