To get that A Perfect Circle (Billy Howerdel/ Troy Van Leeuwen) heavy distortion would a distortion pedal work or is it an overdrive pedal? I play through a fender Deville. Would I have to use a distortion pedal to get that Marshall grit? What is recommended besides switching out amps. Just trying to understand the differences between distortion and overdrive.
Distortion vs overdrive A Perfect Circle
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Empty Pockets
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Re: Distortion vs overdrive A Perfect Circle
the difference between distortion and overdrive is how they interact with your amp
distortion pedals are designed to make a clean signal sound heavy and crazy
overdrive pedals are designed to boost an amp into slightly heavierness
for your amp i'd either get a good OD to boost the gain channel or a good distortion to use in the clean channel.
the difference between distortion and overdrive is how they interact with your amp
distortion pedals are designed to make a clean signal sound heavy and crazy
overdrive pedals are designed to boost an amp into slightly heavierness
for your amp i'd either get a good OD to boost the gain channel or a good distortion to use in the clean channel.
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Billy uses a custom Dave Friedman amp called the Naked to get that sound. I've played one and plan on owning one as soon as I can save up for it. It's a truly unique beast for the tone it produces.
To produce that sound WITHOUT spending that kind of money, I'd go for a cranked Marshall pushed over the edge with an overdrive pedal.
Billy uses a custom Dave Friedman amp called the Naked to get that sound. I've played one and plan on owning one as soon as I can save up for it. It's a truly unique beast for the tone it produces.
To produce that sound WITHOUT spending that kind of money, I'd go for a cranked Marshall pushed over the edge with an overdrive pedal.
Van Noord
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Billy recorded the first two APC albums with JCM 900's. The album was multitracked and layered a lot. That tone is incredibley hard to nail.
To start, you want a thick sounding guitar like an LP and a high gain Marshall with it's gain at 75%.
Billy recorded the first two APC albums with JCM 900's. The album was multitracked and layered a lot. That tone is incredibley hard to nail.
To start, you want a thick sounding guitar like an LP and a high gain Marshall with it's gain at 75%.
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Pretty sure he used an old JMP for the first APC cd, remember reading an interview where he said that he loved how he could clean that amp up with the volume unlike a lot of more modern amps. Whatever it is, his guitar tone always sounds super processed to me, it's definitely not straight guitar into the amp.
Pretty sure he used an old JMP for the first APC cd, remember reading an interview where he said that he loved how he could clean that amp up with the volume unlike a lot of more modern amps. Whatever it is, his guitar tone always sounds super processed to me, it's definitely not straight guitar into the amp.
crguti
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APF
2000
http://www.guitargeek.com/rigs/img/p/perfectcircle_billie_2000.gif
2007
http://www.digitalburn.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/billy-howerdel-a-perfect-circle.jpg
APF
2000
http://www.guitargeek.com/rigs/img/p/perfectcircle_billie_2000.gif
2007
http://www.digitalburn.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/billy-howerdel-a-perfect-circle.jpg
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That's interesting, where did you hear that? I've spoken to Dave Freidman a few times about having one of those Naked amps built and according to Dave the original Naked amps he built for Billy are the primary tone you hear for the first two APC albums. He only built them for Billy until earlier this year when he put them into production.
Whether or not it was layered, he didn't say. I suppose that might be the case considering how thick those sounds are. But having played a Naked, that amp plus a Les Paul pretty much nails the APC tones.
That's interesting, where did you hear that? I've spoken to Dave Freidman a few times about having one of those Naked amps built and according to Dave the original Naked amps he built for Billy are the primary tone you hear for the first two APC albums. He only built them for Billy until earlier this year when he put them into production.
Whether or not it was layered, he didn't say. I suppose that might be the case considering how thick those sounds are. But having played a Naked, that amp plus a Les Paul pretty much nails the APC tones.
devastone
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Re: Distortion vs overdrive A Perfect Circle
go to www.generalguitargadgets.com and get a Guv'nor clone, or go to www.buildyourownclone.com and get the Shredder pedal (Marshall Shredmaster clone), either of those will get you close through the clean channel of your Fender.
go to www.generalguitargadgets.com and get a Guv'nor clone, or go to www.buildyourownclone.com and get the Shredder pedal (Marshall Shredmaster clone), either of those will get you close through the clean channel of your Fender.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
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^ or get a Visual Sound Son of Hyde cuz it's basically the same circuit
^ or get a Visual Sound Son of Hyde cuz it's basically the same circuit
Van Noord
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Nice. If you can find that see if you can scan it or something. I'd love to see it! I'm a nerd like that.
Dave said the Naked is based on the circuit of a Mk II Marshall and the front end of a Naylor Superdrive, but at the end of the day it's got it's own thing going on.
Nice. If you can find that see if you can scan it or something. I'd love to see it! I'm a nerd like that.
Dave said the Naked is based on the circuit of a Mk II Marshall and the front end of a Naylor Superdrive, but at the end of the day it's got it's own thing going on.
Van Noord
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I sure will. I remember it pretty clearly, because along with a drawing of his rig there is a picture of him and two of his LP's. One of them being his coveted Cinnamon burst Gibson LP.Nice. If you can find that see if you can scan it or something. I'd love to see it! I'm a nerd like that.
SirJackdeFuzz
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Don't laugh, but my good buddy gets a GREAT APC tone with a loud as hell Bugera 1960 head / Marshall cab (from the early 70's / made in the UK Greenbacks) and an MXR GT-OD pedal. (that beautifull metallic-green box.)
Oh, and it deff helps if you are using a Les Paul.
Don't laugh, but my good buddy gets a GREAT APC tone with a loud as hell Bugera 1960 head / Marshall cab (from the early 70's / made in the UK Greenbacks) and an MXR GT-OD pedal. (that beautifull metallic-green box.)
Oh, and it deff helps if you are using a Les Paul.
Chris of Arabia
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I've no idea on getting his tone, but as I was watching this only yesterday, this seems the ideal opportunity to share with you good people - enjoy!
I've no idea on getting his tone, but as I was watching this only yesterday, this seems the ideal opportunity to share with you good people - enjoy!
everdrone
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I am into big fuzzy organic tones and not APC and ashes divide stuff, but billy seems to think Axe - FX is the end all be all for recording and live:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/inte...eased_in_a_different_fashion.html?no_takeover
I am into big fuzzy organic tones and not APC and ashes divide stuff, but billy seems to think Axe - FX is the end all be all for recording and live:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/inte...eased_in_a_different_fashion.html?no_takeover
everdrone
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papersoul, thanks for necro bumping this thread from 2010 just to spread your love for your own amps...
I just noticed this...
papersoul, thanks for necro bumping this thread from 2010 just to spread your love for your own amps...
I just noticed this...
Distortion vs overdrive A Perfect Circle
Watched a few cool interviews with Troy last night. In QotSA he plays a vox AC50CP2. Sounds great. He does say in a rig rundown that the bands are totally different and that APC does tons of things digitally for at least 1/2 their sound.
Watched a few cool interviews with Troy last night. In QotSA he plays a vox AC50CP2. Sounds great. He does say in a rig rundown that the bands are totally different and that APC does tons of things digitally for at least 1/2 their sound.
