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    Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

    So I've got a three piece rock band going. Both the guitar and bass amps are 1x12 combos, and after awhile, I started thinking, "we need more speakers!" So I started looking at local classifieds and bought this for $30

    Back is totally sealed! Wiring this up will be FUN!

    Actually made in Pickering, not Toronto, but it is in the Greater Toronto Area.

    It was built sometime between 1966 and 1972. It was originally intended to be used as a PA cabinet with stand mounts on the bottom, the marks of which still exist. And I thought my EV cabs were heavy! I wouldn't dream of hoisting one of these onto a speaker stand.

    These are some spacious handles!

    It's actually to my benefit that this thing is empty, as I've read online that the original 12" Marsland speakers were not great sounding, and were best suited to bass. I'm thinking about going with some 12" ceramic Weber speakers, as they are lighter and cheaper than the alnico's. Anyone have experience with these?

    Also, is 25W per speaker enough for a 4x12 being used with a 50W tube amp? I figure if I order 8 ohm drivers I can wire it series/parallel for 8 ohms and have a 50W cabinet. I get that amps usually aren't running at the wattage labeled, and often times I run it in 15W mode, but even in 50W, the speakers should theoretically hold up with the amp cranked in 50W mode, yes?
    "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain
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    Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

    Thats so Badass. I would die for a Traynor 4x12 for my 71 YBA Bassmaster "Plexi" project. They are rare as Me*ic*n virgins here!
    30 clams? yer killin me!!!!
    That thing is put together like a brick pagoda!
    I'd pay three US hundred dollars for that If I had the dosh!
    "Anyone who understands Jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra

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    • #3
      Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

      Originally posted by MetalManiac View Post
      Thats so Badass. I would die for a Traynor 4x12 for my 71 YBA Bassmaster "Plexi" project. They are rare as Me*ic*n virgins here!
      30 clams? yer killin me!!!!
      That thing is put together like a brick pagoda!
      I'd pay three US hundred dollars for that If I had the dosh!
      Ya, I thought it was a pretty good deal! There's a guy in my area who just sold two of these, with the original speakers in them and stand mounts attached for $300.

      You got a YBA eh? I've heard a few basses through YBAs into various cabs, never heard it live with guitars though, but the basses sounded good! I've heard good things about them being used as guitar amps. How is it stock compared to a Bassman?
      "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

        Originally posted by Fender_Punk View Post
        Ya, I thought it was a pretty good deal! There's a guy in my area who just sold two of these, with the original speakers in them and stand mounts attached for $300.

        You got a YBA eh? I've heard a few basses through YBAs into various cabs, never heard it live with guitars though, but the basses sounded good! I've heard good things about them being used as guitar amps. How is it stock compared to a Bassman?
        They are insane values even still. They are getting more expensive and hard to find though.
        Very close circuit to a original Fender bassman/Plexi amp circuits. With a few changes, the circuit is scary close.
        The transformers are overbuilt, and dont saturate like the cheaper marshall x-fomers.
        The lead dress isnt the same quality as a Fender by any strecth.
        Some people like the Traynor Bassmasters 'as is' for guitar, and they sound great, but there is a craze for converting them into Plexi-esque amps, and why not, if you can get close enuf to to a convincing Plexi sound for 3000.00 less, wouldn't you??



        Join the Yahoo Traynor Groups why don't you? A slow , but helpfull forum, wiht died in the wool Traynor Junkies!
        Last edited by MetalManiac; 05-23-2012, 05:20 PM.
        "Anyone who understands Jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra

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        • #5
          Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

          Can anyone address my question about running a 50W tube amp into a 50W cabinet (4x25W speakers wired in series/parallel)
          "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

            It'll be fine. I used to run my old MKIII into a 412 with Greenbacks, which are 25w speakers.
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            • #7
              Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

              Cool cab. Speakers will be fine unless you run it wide open with real low tunings all the time.

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              • #8
                Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                Originally posted by Fender_Punk View Post
                Can anyone address my question about running a 50W tube amp into a 50W cabinet (4x25W speakers wired in series/parallel)
                That cabinet will actually be 100 watts, not 50. 4 x 25 = 100.

                Wired in series/parallel, the total load will be dependent on that of the 4 speakers. If they are all 8 ohms, the total load is 8 ohms. If all 4 are 16 ohms, the total load is 16 ohms.

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                • #9
                  Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                  Originally posted by ErikH View Post
                  That cabinet will actually be 100 watts, not 50. 4 x 25 = 100.
                  I've been told that's not how it works. From what I understand, it's still a 25W cabinet, but the load is spread out over the speakers.

                  Christian (The Guy Who Invented Fire) is the one to ask for this. Or Glassman.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                    No, Erik is right. 4x25=100 watts, but your 50w head may push more than 50 watts maxxed out. You should be OK, but I wouldn't want to run the Mig60 I used to have maxxed through a GB cab. Also, low tunings at high levels can pop lower wattage speakers.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                      If I wasn't right, then current Marshall cabs wouldn't be rated at 300 watts (4 x 75) and Vintage Marshall RI cabs with Greenbacks wouldn't be rated at 100 watts (4 x 25).

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                        Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                        The only weirdness that happens is if you have speakers of different wattage handling capabilities... I.e. a 25 watt greenback and a 60 watt vintage 30. The power will only be 50 wAtts.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                          Originally posted by King IzzO))) View Post
                          No, Erik is right. 4x25=100 watts, but your 50w head may push more than 50 watts maxxed out. You should be OK, but I wouldn't want to run the Mig60 I used to have maxxed through a GB cab. Also, low tunings at high levels can pop lower wattage speakers.
                          We only play in Drop D every once in awhile, the rest of the time it's E standard. Good to know! I plan to wire up an 8 ohms cabinet so that we can keep the 8 ohms V30 in the combo hooked up and run the amp at 4 ohms
                          "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dirt Cheap Empty Vintage 4x12! Life Is Good!

                            Yorkville Factory tour & some history.
                            "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

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