Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

[Ascension]

Played 2 out door shows a couple weeks apart.
One I ran the Zinky on stage with my Blackstar 1/12 under it running the WGS retro 30 speaker in the combo with the WGS ET 90 in the combo.

The other i ran the Jet City JCA22H head on the Blackstar cab here.

With the Zinky rig the on stage tones were GREAT and inspiring. With the Jet City I fought tone all night it was just muddy flubby and nasty and the on stage amp tones flat SUCKED!!!
On the 1st gig we had a MUCH better system and on the 2nd gig there were no monitors but my out front tone was better on that 2nd gig IMO so whats up??
Is it just that the 1/12 cab was firing under me and i was not really hearing the rig while the Zinky was closer to ear level or what??
Same recorder in my Zoom Q3HD but I had a different mic level setting so the Jet City clip is much louder still???

[dystrust]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

Is it just that the 1/12 cab was firing under me and i was not really hearing the rig while the Zinky was closer to ear level or what??

That would be my guess.

[Ascension]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

Here is the 2nd clip with the Jet City just using the 1/12 cab.

Wonder if I need to grab a 4/12 or a slanted 2/12 cab for out doors with a head??

[Demanic]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

Well, unless you are a grasshopper, you don't have ears in your knees. Someone suggested a combo stand. That or a slant cab. Or one of those vertical 2x12's with the slanted top section.

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[Chickenwings]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

do you ever use a tilt back stand? I dont gig without tilting my amp anymore. It means you can hear yourself and your nuances better and you also dont play too loud because of it. Better for you, better for your bandmates, better for the audience.

[Ascension]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

do you ever use a tilt back stand? I dont gig without tilting my amp anymore. It means you can hear yourself and your nuances better and you also dont play too loud because of it. Better for you, better for your bandmates, better for the audience.

Have 2 on hand. However using a tilt back stand here would have killed the tone out front as i was running un miced.
Tones out front for what we were running were pretty good it was me that couldn't hear my guitar on stage.

Am looking for something like the old Marshall Silver Ann 2/12 slant cab I had back in the 90's to run under this head.

[Mincer]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

My amp (when I use one live) always goes though the PA, and so I don't need it behind me competing with the PA. I have it on a tilt-back stand facing straight up at me (like a monitor, because that is exactly what it is). It makes for a cleaner PA sound, and I can hear it a lot better.

[Ascension]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

My amp (when I use one live) always goes though the PA, and so I don't need it behind me competing with the PA. I have it on a tilt-back stand facing straight up at me (like a monitor, because that is exactly what it is). It makes for a cleaner PA sound, and I can hear it a lot better.

Normally I would but here had no choice. Expected a full PA but we got a Berringer 8 channel head no monitors so had to punt big time. In years past had been the sound engineer at this event. We normally ran a 42x8 Allen Heath rack full of big crowns a wall of RCF loaded Yorkville cabs nice set of JBL monitors so huge surprise when we got there!

[Gtrjunior]

Re: Guys help me figure out some thing here? Tale of 2 amps and 2 gigs!

At the first gig with the good pa, did you run guitars in your monitor?