Jcm 2000?

[Benjy_26]

How reliable are these amps?

How good is the clean channel (DSL50)?

Anything I should know about these amps?

I can get one for $500. Is this a good deal?

[RockStarNick]

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In my opinon...

All new marshalls are built like absolute garbage. Cheap pots, cheap switches, cheap jacks.

The JCM2000 has a decent overdrive sound, but can get muddy.

The clean is awful, flat, and dull, and makes good pedals sound bad.

Yes, I'm a botique amp snob, but once you play a Bogner Shiva, its hard to go back to marshalls.

If you want a kickass clean sound, that makes overdrive pedals sound amazing, get a new Reissue Fender Blues Deluxe, and a Barber DirectDrive pedal, and you'll have tone that'll blow any marshall away for about $700 total.

[the guy who invented fire]

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Well, it is a 50 watt Marshall but the DSL's have the best cleans of any Marshall in years, I have heard very little to no problems with the breaking down and $500 is a great price...Maybe Wattage will chime in, he just got one a week or 2 ago!

[Benjy_26]

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Oh, forgot to say I don't use any pedals. I use the clean channels for, well, clean.

[stevie_bees]

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I love my TSL, and get a great clean tone with my Legacy. Plus 2 drive channels (with shared EQ), switchable FX loop and reverb.

[Archer_of_Fish]

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I have found the 2000's to be slightly dull sounding. They are lacking an edge I like to hear in am amp.

Maybe an EQ could bring them to life? I dont know..its like something is missing.

[stevie_bees]

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You just have to spend a bit more tweaking time with them. Each venue can make quite a difference on the sound.

[Imp]

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new tubes, and you'll be much happier - it worked wonders for me

my dsl401 is a great little amp - havnt gigged with it in ages, but i liked the tones i got back then.. but comparing a DSL50 to a bogner shiva is hardly a fair contest, it's like comparing a bugatti to a ford transit

tom

[Mincer]

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i thought these were ablsolutely terrible- the clean sound was more than dull, it was clinical. the overdrive was simple and non-dynamic. i've played a few good Marshalls but these weren't it.

[Bludave]

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Oh, forgot to say I don't use any pedals. I use the clean channels for, well, clean.

The 2000 is not a bad Amp, but IMO the DSL is a lot better. It gives you a much wider range of tones that are usable. Its basically a 800, 900, and a 2000. With a few added features. Real good sounding amps. I am going to get a 100 watt head sooner or later!

[lex666]

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I've got a TSL602 and have had absolutely no problems in the 3+ years I've had it. The tone is awesome for LZ, AC/DC, & punk style music. I play a lot of old Metallica stuff, and while the amp has good tone, its no Mesa. I really dig having 2 levels of crunch tho and this is where the amp shines.

I did use the clean channel with my old Korg AX1000G to play some RATM stuff, and this amp really kicked *ss! I recently went with individual boxes and stopped using the Korg and just used the "Lead" channel on my amp which sounds way more "natural" than the korg.

For a while when I would go to stores to try out new axes, I would always try them on a DSL40 and was never able to achieve the same tone as my TSL602 (maybe for obivous reasons), nor was I able to dial in a tone I liked...

[mr breaker]

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I have a DSL 100 and it's a great amp

[Wattage]

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I am liking mine so far. Practiced with it Friday and gigged with it on Saturday. I put in Ruby Pre's and Svet EL34's and it improved the amp in every noticable way over the stock marshall ECC83s and the Sovtek EL34's.

I had to change the power tubes Saturday because it appears it on of the Sovteks was failing so I dropped in a set of the Svets and did the bias on it (which was ridiculously easy btw) and holy crap does it rock now. I really couldn't care about it's clean sound but it was quite nice.

Only issue I have and I will have to figure it out is when coming off of standby. If you play for a while then go to standby when you come back up it seemd to be down on power a bit. Not sure the deal there and maybe I am just imaging it but it has happened twice so I am a bit confused about it. Tonewise though no issues at all and eveyone that has heard it loved it.

Mine is a 1998 DSL100 head just so you know. I didn't get a chance to play throught the 50 wt but I was told by several people familiar with both that the 100wt was the better choice. $500 sounds like a good price for the 50wt. I paid $799 for the 100wt, there were 2 other that were $899 and $999 respectively and there was a 2 year old 50 for $999 as well.

[RGN]

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I have played Diezel, VHT, Bogner and others and think there is NOTHING wrong with the DSL series. I just sold my DSL50 after owning it since '98. It was perfect in reliability and sounded very good. A DSL50 for $500 is a good deal. I traded mine in at GC and got $650 (went towards a Warwick bass). I happen to think its clean channel is excellent and the nasty stuff is also good. When I talked to Vinny Moore a few months ago he had a DSL50 under his arm the whole time (before he went on stage). I give the DSL50 and DSL100 thumbs up. I prefer the 50 myself but you can't go wrong with either.

[Rich_T]

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I think the DSL 50 is a great amp. The cleans are the best i've heard on a marshall in a long, long time. The dirty is very versatile, which is why people probably dont like it, they may not have spent enough time tweaking it. I'm seriously considering up-sizing to the DSL50 from my 401. They do sound alot different though, I personally prefer the 50. For the money, I would snap that one up.