Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

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i have bought a used (almost new) JCM 2000 DSL 50 watts head and a 1936 2x12 cab from my guitar teacher... after that, a friend of mine told me about getting a tubescreamer and jus play in front of the amp with the overdrive also to "get a hi gain character with the marshall"...

btw my settings rigth now are: presence 3 (1-10), treble 8, mids 7, bass 5, gain 7 (ultra channel with the 2 lead mod) and using the deep button (bass bost)... i use the amp rigth now in my room, so i can´t put the volume up to 2....
(yeah i know, the amp deserves to be cranked...)

so, how should i use the tubescreamer with that settings, or, which new settings should i use with the tubescreamer? and the most important question, is really usefull? i really need it? or i can just get enough gain and tone with the amp cranked and use the pedal for soloing?

thats all...:P thanks a lot
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Well i prefer putting an OD pedal in front of my tube amp to drive it a little harder. If i was in your situation i'd start with the tubescreamer and set the level somewhere around 3 - 5 o'clock, then roll the gain back to zero and set the tone somewhere neutral. Then id lower the gain on the amp to around 2 or 3 (just set it to your taste) and adjust the Eq from there (tubescreamers are infamous for their midrange hump, so you might want to lower the mids a bit). Just experiment, it took me a while to get the settings i like out of my OD/ amp combo.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Set the TS for gain at 9 o clock, tone at 11 o clock, level at noon. Set the amps gain a bit lower than you normally wood, and tweak the amp EQ to taste ;).
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

ok, thanks for the replies... so, it's usefull then isn´t it? :P

btw do i need also a noise gate for feedback issues?
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

...btw do i need also a noise gate for feedback issues?
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Noise gates suppress hiss and other garbage that is generally the product of gain stages being maxed out. Though they can help reduce feedback when you are not playing the guitar, once you start to play and the gate opens (allowing signal through) it will have no effect.

If you are having trouble with feedback at "bedroom" volumes then you are probably using too much preamp gain. Adding gain from a TS9 will only complicate things. The best solution is to turn the gain(s) back a bit until the feedback is not a problem. It's easy to get sucked into the "more gain is better" way of thinking. (But a TS9 will still be a cool addition to your rig...gives you more choices...always a good thing.) Check to make sure your pickups are potted and that they are not microphonic thus causing a feedback issue. (I'd imagine most are potted these days.) A simple test for microphonic pickups...turn the amp up a good bit...select a single pickup...put the guitar right up to your face and SCREAM into the pickup. If you get a lot of sound out of the amp your pickup is acting too much like a microphone.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

SlyFoxx said:
Noise gates suppress hiss and other garbage that is generally the product of gain stages being maxed out. Though they can help reduce feedback when you are not playing the guitar, once you start to play and the gate opens (allowing signal through) it will have no effect.

If you are having trouble with feedback at "bedroom" volumes then you are probably using too much preamp gain. Adding gain from a TS9 will only complicate things. The best solution is to turn the gain(s) back a bit until the feedback is not a problem. It's easy to get sucked into the "more gain is better" way of thinking. (But a TS9 will still be a cool addition to your rig...gives you more choices...always a good thing.) Check to make sure your pickups are potted and that they are not microphonic thus causing a feedback issue. (I'd imagine most are potted these days.) A simple test for microphonic pickups...turn the amp up a good bit...select a single pickup...put the guitar right up to your face and SCREAM into the pickup. If you get a lot of sound out of the amp your pickup is acting too much like a microphone.
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wow thanks for the whole explanation slyfoxx... i ain´t having troubles right now, i was asking that to have info about what to use when i can turn the amp up to studio volumes... thanks again
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

I have A DSL 50 with a 1936 and I think its a great amp, Nice Score!! Sometimes I use a Boss GE-7 to push the Preamp harder but i stopped because of the ungodly amount of Hiss From that pedal(unmodded GE-7's are renowned for that :laugh2: ).but having something there to push the preamp definitly opens up more tone options!
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Throw that pos ts pedal in the bin;)
Hehe sorry, well use eq's or compressors for more saturation, dunno I have always hated to use overdrives into an already driven amp, don't like the sound nor the feel of it.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Nice setup. Remember there are no "proper" settings. Use the suggestions above as a starting point then use your ears & tweak until you hear your sound. Good luck!
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Get an NS-2 if you have feedbacking problems. What Slyfoxx is referring to is if your amp would feedback while you're playing through it. I assume what you're experiencing is standard hi-gain pickups idle feedback. I use my NS-2 infront of the amp and that takes care of it ;).


Rid said:
Throw that pos ts pedal in the bin;)
Hehe sorry, well use eq's or compressors for more saturation, dunno I have always hated to use overdrives into an already driven amp, don't like the sound nor the feel of it.
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Purely personal preference, and we're not even setting the TS up for much gain. Also, this is being used for fairly extreme metal, and the compression/mid hump/saturation/smoothed out highs definately work in our favor!
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

It takes away the bottomend, the op-amp is crap, there is no good gain for anything, might as well use a decent eq or compressor instead:D
I have had everything from an 808 to some buhutiik truespypass banger, the latter has been modded so it now can be used, instead of turning into a paperweight;)
I have heard on those damm things since the 80's....kick them out:D hehe
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

I have a DSL 50, and in my very humble opinion the only pedal you'll need once you start turning that amp up is a good EQ pedal. While the amp has all the gain you'll ever need, I use the EQ to calm down the treble. The treble on those amps is enough to kill birds flying overhead! I'm currentley using a Boss GE-7 in the input but I'm going to try an MXR 10 band soon. I've been told they're dead silent thru the input.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Well I dont need anymore gain on my 5150, but I stll use a TS9 to tighten and warm things up. War Head could be using it just to get a certain tone.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

Yeah, as I've stated a ****zillion times before.... the OD pedal isn't an issue of gain.

Rid said:
It takes away the bottomend, the op-amp is crap, there is no good gain for anything, might as well use a decent eq or compressor instead:D
I have had everything from an 808 to some buhutiik truespypass banger, the latter has been modded so it now can be used, instead of turning into a paperweight;)
I have heard on those damm things since the 80's....kick them out:D hehe
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True... I prefer an 808 spec'd TS, for sure, but I dig how it tightens up the low end. I need mine tighter than a dolphin's ass! Horses for courses, as always.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

haha .. serious
I use ART effects, but mine's a JCM900
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

I agree on the gain issue. I have a mesa tri-axis which has more gain than I could ever need. Still, I slam the pre-amp with a TS-9, because I like the sound I get from it. Just gives it that little extra crunch and atritculation. There's nothing like that "pushed" sound, at least for me.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

I prefer to back of the gain on the amp some and use an overdrive to give it a nice kick in the nuts...LOL. This way I have a decent clean sound with the guitar volume rolled off, a good dirty tone for AC/DC type stuff or simple blues, and a screaming JB metal type tone. The overdrive's gain doesn't even need to be up that high but the level is at 12 o'clock.

Guitar -----> MXR Wylde OD -----> JCM900 MkIII

Just sit down with your rig, guitar in hand, and mess around with the settings. Find what works best for you. If you don't like how one setting sounds, move on to another one. The best way to learn is hands on messing around with it. You'll know your gear and your setup better than anyone else that way.
 
Re: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL50 + Ibanez Tubescreamer TS9...and how to use it properly

i´ve finally found that i want the ts9 no matter how much gain i want, its a tone question... i´ll use it everyday, i´ve been messing with the knobs for about 3 days, and i´ve found a great tone...probably i´ll be using it also as a booster for solos or something like that... but btw i´ll have to use a noise gate...where it goes on the chain? the last one, isn´t it? sorry, i´ve never used efects in front of my amps
 
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