I was playing tonight through my JCM 601 combo and I noticed a very faint chugging sound coming from the amp. It is audible on both the clean and gain channel. I tried out different preamp tubes to eliminate that, nothing changed at all. I haven't swapped out the power tubes yet to check that. What could it be? And what more could I check?
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Define *chugging*? Sounds like you are talking about motorboating as it's called ... if that's the case you might want to hit Aiken's amp site (or others) IIRC it's caused by the filter caps starting to go, and/or by something else which escapes me at the moment ... it's like a low frequency oscillation or thumping-popping that continuously occurs by itself.
Could you be more specific?::::To sound reinforcement engineer::::
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Thanks Kent, motorboating makes more sense. As it occurs, it is a constant popping and not an ocillation. It is very subtle and can only be heard while not playing and the MV is turned up. I noticed it for the first time last night and will monitor if it gets louder or faster in rate. If it is the filter caps, what are my options for repair? Is this a safe self repair job or better to hand it over to an amp tech.'06 Gibson R8, '94 Gibson LP Jr Special, Fender CS Dirty Dozen Strat, Fender Hotrod '52 Tele, /13 FTR37, Kemper, DrZ EMS, DrZ Plus, Various pedals
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Is that amp 10 years old or more yet? The filter caps should be just fine...Sounds more like it's preamp related if it does it when you raise the gain up...No?Amps: 66 Fender BF Pro Reverb Combo,1973 50 Watt Marshall Head,Marshall 4x12 A/V Cab,Vox ToneLab LE,Vox VTH Valvetronix 120 Head,Vox AD 2x12 Cab,Roland Cube 20X
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one tip when trying to trouble shoot, and isolate which part of the circuit the problem is related to, is to tap (lightly!) on the preamp tubes - if one is microphonic, you'll know it
just use something like a chop stick to tap the tube, and of course, use caution"music heals"
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Jump Marine ... Motorboating tends to happen do to wear, age (sometimes the same ), and sometimes right out of the box ... a steady popping is still an oscillation ... first check to see if that is indeed the problem , again read over Aiken's amp site, and other sites (I think it's Aiken's that has wonderful descriptions of common faults and problems and the respective causes).
I'm pretty sure it's the filter caps, but not 100% sure that's the total problem ...
Curly ... I'm not sure if a diode tube would due it, unless it's a full wave set up, I guess that one plate could not be putting out as much as the other, and somehow agitate the caps enough to allow a small DC pulse ... I hadn't considered that ... maybe that was the other thing ... although tube diodes are generally very reliable ... still worth checking out ....
I'd go with what Jeremy stated as to repair, for one a tech might catch something else along the way and it's always a good idea to check over everything, especially if it's been a while ... just to get a clean bill of health.::::To sound reinforcement engineer::::
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Could we please have everything louder than everything else ? ...
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Originally posted by CurlyI'm just taking a guess here, but does it use a tube rectifier? If so, you might try switching it to see if that's the problem.'06 Gibson R8, '94 Gibson LP Jr Special, Fender CS Dirty Dozen Strat, Fender Hotrod '52 Tele, /13 FTR37, Kemper, DrZ EMS, DrZ Plus, Various pedals
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Originally posted by STRATDELUXER97Is that amp 10 years old or more yet? The filter caps should be just fine...Sounds more like it's preamp related if it does it when you raise the gain up...No?'06 Gibson R8, '94 Gibson LP Jr Special, Fender CS Dirty Dozen Strat, Fender Hotrod '52 Tele, /13 FTR37, Kemper, DrZ EMS, DrZ Plus, Various pedals
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Originally posted by Curly
just use something like a chop stick to tap the tube, and of course, use caution
::::To sound reinforcement engineer::::
... What? ... ::::snicker:::: ...Yes, ... Right, ...
Could we please have everything louder than everything else ? ...
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Originally posted by JumpMarineIt's about 8 years old and I'm the second owner, but though it was in mint condition I believe that it was pushed pretty hard. When I changed out the el34's there were distinct color changes to the base of both tubes due to heat. I've had the new tubes in for about 9 months now and they look the same as when new. And I have pushed it hard more than a few times. I get the motorboating on both the clean and gain channels, but I can hear it better when I turn up the master volume.::::To sound reinforcement engineer::::
... What? ... ::::snicker:::: ...Yes, ... Right, ...
Could we please have everything louder than everything else ? ...
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Originally posted by Kent S.What amp is it? Forgive me if this was covered.'06 Gibson R8, '94 Gibson LP Jr Special, Fender CS Dirty Dozen Strat, Fender Hotrod '52 Tele, /13 FTR37, Kemper, DrZ EMS, DrZ Plus, Various pedals
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Slightly off-hand, how do you like the amp (other than the current problem)? I am in the market for a small tube amp with large sound, and I drove a TSL601 at a local shop the other day. It wasn't too bad, but you know how things sound at the shop and then how they sound once you actually own them......
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Originally posted by gordon_39422Slightly off-hand, how do you like the amp (other than the current problem)? I am in the market for a small tube amp with large sound, and I drove a TSL601 at a local shop the other day. It wasn't too bad, but you know how things sound at the shop and then how they sound once you actually own them......
First off, it's freaking loud. Very good clean channel, reverb is pretty good. I did a major improvement on the reverb by swapping the JJ12ax7 in v3 for an old RCA 12at7. It's much more lush and full sounding. The gain channel is more vintage sounding than modern high gain and it sounds very good. It's a very versital little amp. One weak point I found was the stock Celestion G12 Heritage speaker, didn't like it one bit and just put in Eminence Swamp Thang speaker. Good lord it really sings now. All in all, I'm pretty happy with it. You can find them on ebay for $300 to 500 and it comes in a head, 1x12 and 2x12 models.'06 Gibson R8, '94 Gibson LP Jr Special, Fender CS Dirty Dozen Strat, Fender Hotrod '52 Tele, /13 FTR37, Kemper, DrZ EMS, DrZ Plus, Various pedals
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