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  • Replacing Wah Tranistors

    Looking to replace the hot stock wah transistors with more vintage sounding ones (BC109C). Does it matter which way the outside prongs are soldered in? Or do they work the same in either direction?
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    Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

    Yes, the Base, Emitter and Collector must all be oriented correctly. Do you have a specific mod or schematic you are following? Iím assuming it already has NPN transistors. Simply replacing the transistors may not have the effect you are looking for, depending on the stock biasing.

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    • #3
      Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

      I'm looking at swapping resistors on a GCB-95 and an V847.
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      • #4
        Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

        Look for BC109B transistors, they are medium gain like the vintage wahs used, 109C will be in a higher gain range, like the stock transistors. The Fuzz Central site recommends them to be in the 300-400 hfe range as I recall for their Clyde McCoy mods.
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          Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

          I've got teh transistors. Just need to know which way to install them.
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          • #6
            Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

            Are the current and new ones in a package different than the image above? Just match B, C and E on the old and new.
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            • #7
              Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

              Got it. Thanks!
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              • #8
                Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

                It's also a good idea to check the manufacturer spec sheets for the transistors to make sure the pin-out orientation is the same for all of them. I have come across some where the base and emitter are swapped and I had to cross them to ensure it was installed correctly.

                IME with wah's, you'll get more of a change in sound with different inductors vs. the transistors.

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                • #9
                  Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

                  Don't the hot transistors in recent production V847's and GCB-95's cause some harshness to the tone, especially in the toe-down position?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

                    They could. They could also be biased hot too. The Boss DS-1 suffers the same ill by having the input transistor biased too hot. It takes tweaking the resistors that are tied in to the transistor to lower the gain and then rebias it. See this link for how this can be done on the DS-1, which I've done a few times myself. http://www.muzique.com/news/fat-mod-for-the-boss-ds-1/

                    I'd have to look at a schematic of those wah's to attempt to figure which resistors and the values. It all depends on the transistor and it's operating range. Even if you swap the transistor, it may need to be rebiased for proper operation.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Replacing Wah Tranistors

                      Originally posted by Zombiwoof View Post
                      Look for BC109B transistors, they are medium gain like the vintage wahs used, 109C will be in a higher gain range, like the stock transistors. The Fuzz Central site recommends them to be in the 300-400 hfe range as I recall for their Clyde McCoy mods.
                      Al


                      The BC109C's I got are supposed to average 550 hfe. I just put them on a multimeter and they're all in the low 700's, which is too hot for what i want. From now on, I'll go with BC109B's.
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