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Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon View PostMy point about pedals in the loop isn’t the effect type, and where that should go in the signal path, it’s about the expected input and output levels, impedance, etc.
The purpose of the effect loop is to allow the insertion of effects (rack or pedal) after an amp's pre-amp.Join me in the fight against muscular atrophy!
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Originally posted by GuitarStv View PostThere are certainly many effects loops designed to work with rack gear . . . but that's not the purpose of a loop.
The purpose of the effect loop is to allow the insertion of effects (rack or pedal) after an amp's pre-amp.
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Get your levels right
Another element that is sometimes overlooked is ensuring your effects can handle the line-level output that is typically sent from your amplifiers effects loop. Depending on the pedal, hitting your stompbox with a line-level signal can overload the circuit, resulting in less-than-desirable performance. Read your pedals manual to find out if it can hang with that stronger signal.
Spin your amp around. Chances are, unless it's a vintage-style build or sports its own built-in effects, you'll find an effects loop...
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Look up Ola's Metal Zone video. Granted, me makes pretty much everything sound awesome, and the MT-2 is no exception.
If I'm using my Super Reverb, obviously all pedals go in front (as there's no loop). The Super also has a ton of headroom, so all my dirt is coming from the pedals. When I use my Micro Dark, I alternate between putting my delay/reverb pedal in front or in the loop. If I'm getting drive from the Orange, I'll put it in the loop.
Seeing how electric guitars weren't originally intended to make the sounds we tend to make with them, I'm not overly concerned about the original purpose of an effects loop. Most people would say two wah pedals on a board is dumb, but I like how it sounds so I'll do that, too“I can play the hell out of a riff. The rest of it’s all bulls**t anyway,” Gary Holt
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Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon View PostTraditionally effects loops were always for line level devices. Thats why they often have volume controls. Plus the types of effects you would insert there, like reverb, has until recently always been rack units.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOriginally posted by DavidRavenMoon View PostGet your levels right
Another element that is sometimes overlooked is ensuring your effects can handle the line-level output that is typically sent from your amplifiers effects loop. Depending on the pedal, hitting your stompbox with a line-level signal can overload the circuit, resulting in less-than-desirable performance. Read your pedals manual to find out if it can hang with that stronger signal.
Spin your amp around. Chances are, unless it's a vintage-style build or sports its own built-in effects, you'll find an effects loop...
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOriginally posted by crusty philtrumAnd that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.
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My old Marshall JCM 900 MkIII loop had a level control on it. I had to dial it back all the way down when running a Boss DD-3 through it. It was a killer setup too. The Ibanez DE-7 was great with it too. In the mid-90's I had a Rocktron Intellifex running through it and half-way on the loop was good enough for it.
But, an overdrive or distortion in the loop? Just no. Unless it is a "pre-amp" like an AMT Legend series pedal or the like. In that case, as mentioned the guitar plugs in to the pedal and out of the pedal to the effects return, which goes right to the power amp after the tone stack (and before the phase inverter in a tube amp). But send/return on a gain pedal, yuck! Yes, I've tried it.
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Originally posted by PFDarkside View PostOne thing to watch out for, keep you master low on the gain pedal and roll it up after you engage it. Sometimes your amps master is pre-loop so you can get a huge volume blast if you arent careful.--------------------------------------------------------
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Now, a clean, and I mean clean boost can work well in the loop, especially on one channel amps and when you get your drive from the amp. Since the max headroom of the preamp has been reached, the only way to boost for a lead is either the sound man does it at the board (old school) or something post preamp, like a clean boost in the loop. It could be touchy but it'll work.
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Originally posted by Coma View PostJust moved my clean boost into the FX loop. Knowing fully well the risks mentioned, I bottomed out the gain and volume knobs on it before connecting my board. Then spent the following 15 minutes troubleshooting and checking and re-cheking connections because for some mysterious reason no sound was coming through when the boost pedal was engagedOriginally posted by ErikH View PostNow, a clean, and I mean clean boost can work well in the loop, especially on one channel amps and when you get your drive from the amp. Since the max headroom of the preamp has been reached, the only way to boost for a lead is either the sound man does it at the board (old school) or something post preamp, like a clean boost in the loop. It could be touchy but it'll work.
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The effects return jack is similar to a power amp in.
You aren't using the effects "loop" if you're only using the power amp in. (loop return)
...and it does work, and makes many previously labeled garbage distortion pedals become quite useable.
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