JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

[rammer69]

IS the pups the same with the exception of the mags ? i seem to recall reading it somewhere, i have a chrome covered JB that i'm going to x to a JB-8, i have a SH6-8 in my BC -RICH BICH, that i love, going to install JB-8 in a korean BC-R bich perfect 10 w/ jazz in the neck (chrome).

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

This is not the case.

Unless you believe in the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Multi Angle Vise]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Different wire, TPL, and turns.

What else do you need to know?

Values?

 

[austin]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Yes, the JB and Distortion are the same except for the magnets.
-
Austin

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Values?

Wire: different spec'ed poly wire (same copper, different build poly wire)

TPL: one is smaller than the other.

Turns: 2% different. Close, but not cigar.

Coil geometry: here is where the biggest difference lies among the two.

I can't be more specific because these are trade secrets.

You can call the BS flag if you so wish. I don't care.

I just call spade a spade 'cause I KNOW it's a spade.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Yes, the JB and Distortion are the same except for the magnets.
-
Austin

No, they are NOT. See above.

 

[Multi Angle Vise]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

I can't be more specific because these are trade secrets.

It's not your secret, you're under no obligation to conceal it, but you've made your intent clear, so no point badgering you any further on the values.

Question two - Sources?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Question two - Sources?

Of what?

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

It has been said and confirmed that the jb and distortion are the same,except not the same Magnet.why beat a dead horse?

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

I had an oversized ceramic in my JB and I don't remember it sounding exactly like a Distortion? It did sound good though.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

It has been said and confirmed that the jb and distortion are the same

By WHO exactly?

Mind you, I'm by no means trying to be dense or anything.

I just wanna know the source and a link to the actual post or document would help lots, as my own personal experience says they're SIMILAR, but not the same.

Thank you in advance.

 

[Koreth]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

By WHO exactly?

Mind you, I'm by no means trying to be dense or anything.

I just wanna know the source and a link to the actual post or document would help lots, as my own personal experience says they're SIMILAR, but not the same.

Thank you in advance.

Not to discount or invaldiate your experience, what is the source of the above or this?

Wire: different spec'ed poly wire (same copper, different build poly wire)

TPL: one is smaller than the other.

Turns: 2% different. Close, but not cigar.

Coil geometry: here is where the biggest difference lies among the two.

I can't be more specific because these are trade secrets.

Did your ears tell you that a JB with a double-height ceramic magnet sounds dissimilar enough to not be the same pickup as a Distortion when playing both pickups? Did you take one apart? Did you get to see some nifty stuff at User Group Day? I don't think answering only yes or no to any of those questions or specifying which one you were answering would put you at liability for revealing trade secrets.

To be fair, when I think about it, I don't know where I first saw the double height ceramic Magnet + JB = Distortion or Distortion + more eramic magnets & truss head scew pole pieces = Invader either. When I realize I've been guilty of repeating that as the truth without ever questioning it or seeking the original source, it kinda bugs me.

I can't find anything from Frank or someone else who can speak with authority on the matter right now, though I'll be looking.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

To Koreth:

I've taken apart a fair amount of p'ups and I've taken notes of the principal characteristics that allowed me to repair'em if needed. Some years ago I partnered with another guy to wind p'ups, but after three years of trying to make it worth our while, we decided that it just wasn't enough request of that service in my neck of woods to ever become profitable, so I too decided to not carry the venture on by myself.

But I got some knowledge as collateral damage!

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

I can't find anything from Frank or someone else who can speak with authority on the matter right now, though I'll be looking.

Thank you! But I couldn't find anything either... and until Frank or somebody else tells me otherwise so I can stand corrected, following my own experience I can state: SIMILAR? YES! THE SAME? NO!

HTH,

 

[austin]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Anyone who really wants to know could contact Seymour Duncan and maybe they'd tell you (although maybe not). As far as I'm concerned, same pickup, different magnets.
-
Austin

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

As far as I'm concerned, same pickup, different magnets.
-
Austin

Joseph Goebbles knew that if you tell a lie many times, when become vox populi, it becomes the "perceived truth" and eventually the absolute truth.

He was Hitler's minister of the Nazi Propaganda.

Internet hearsay does exactly that: by endlessly repeating a lie it eventually becomes the truth.

I, reasonable person, base my opinions on facts. And the facts resulting from my own research suggest otherwise.

HTH,

 

[Koreth]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

So, I'm inferring from your posts above that it was during your dissection pickups that you discovered the differences between the JB and the distortion (turns per layer, wire, turn count, coil geometry, etc.). Is that correct?

 

[austin]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

Joseph Goebbles knew that if you tell a lie many times, when become vox populi, it becomes the "perceived truth" and eventually the absolute truth.

He was Hitler's minister of the Nazi Propaganda.

Internet hearsay does exactly that: by endlessly repeating a lie it eventually becomes the truth.

I, reasonable person, base my opinions on facts. And the facts resulting from my own research suggest otherwise.

HTH,

Godwin's law in action folks! :lmao:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

-Austin

 

[LtKojak]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

So, I'm inferring from your posts above that it was during your dissection pickups that you discovered the differences between the JB and the distortion (turns per layer, wire, turn count, coil geometry, etc.). Is that correct?

The measures were taking by two different persons at two different times.

The differences became clear when comparing notes. I did the JB, my ex partner in crime against p'up nature did the DD. The methodology was the same. I wish I could have access NOW to the lab we had access in the past...

He worked for the military in a plant that built parts for combat helicopters.

 

[rammer69]

Re: JB & DISTORTION THE SAME PUP EXCEPT MAG

thanks to all replies, i did not intend on stirring up all of this controversy, i posted last night before going to bed, i drive a semi /dump truck & trailor for 12-13 hrs a day, & did not think i would be home in time to call s/duncan, after reading these replys, i called MJ, she stated that JB & DISTORTION have the same wire, just not the same amount of turns, but close, MJ also stated that both the JB & SH6 W/A8 WOULD be comparable to a ALTERNATE 8 again thanks to all, rammer