#1 Noise Gate

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I just stuck a cheap dummy coil in mine.....
What I mean is that sometimes all this crap people stick in their things...is just getting too much sometimes!!
It is just a midrangy instrument, use good cables, fool around with settings, too much refinement and the whole thing just becomes a sterile dull sound!!
I do not like noise removers.
 
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ratherdashing said:
The Decimator doesn't have an Attack control, which is essential IMO.
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How much experence do you have with one?

I've been using one for almost a year now and it's as good as not having a noise reducer. Only you don't have to put up with hum.

It's the least annoying noise gate I've come across.


I'd say the ISP Decimator is the way to go unless you want to blow the cash for a rack.
 
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Rid said:
I just stuck a cheap dummy coil in mine.....
What I mean is that sometimes all this crap people stick in their things...is just getting too much sometimes!!
It is just a midrangy instrument, use good cables, fool around with settings, too much refinement and the whole thing just becomes a sterile dull sound!!
I do not like noise removers.
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I agree. I have a noise gate on my GT-6, and it seems like it doesn't let the guitar notes breathe out at all, like choked, and lack of sustain, I never use it.

. Besides noise gates, all these noiseless pickups are tone robbers as well, and I have tried my share of them. :smack: So far, the only COMPLETELY noiseless solution, is the one that comes on Suhr guitars, preinstalled, not the Backplate version, and it doesn't have any adverse tone affects, it's truly state of the art. 20% more affective than a Backplate.
 
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ratherdashing said:
The Decimator doesn't have an Attack control, which is essential IMO.

The only noise gates I trust are the simple ones that simply kill the output when the level goes below the threshold. The attack control sets how quickly the output is cut, which helps smooth things out.

Any other type of noise gate will compromise tone. There is no way around it.

Before buying a noise gate, I would recommend taking measures to remove noise from your existing rig, if at all possible.
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What type of noise gates do *you* like? Name some manufacturers so other folks can see where you're coming from.

I've owned the HUSH Super C, tried the MXR Noise Gate pedals, tried a HUSH the Pedal and IICX, Boss NS-2 and the ISP was the best with the NS-2 very close behind.

Like I said earlier, most pedals do sacrifice the tone. Some of the HUSH stuff was downright awful and the MXR put focus on the lowend and added compression. The NS-2 had pretty minimal changes with its included buffer and the ISP was completely transparent and has a smooth decay to the cutting off of hiss or hum (it doesn't need an extra knob because the circuit is intelligent enough to take care of that for you).
 
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ISP is getting stronger with the masses so what exactly are the tonal advantages of ProRackG versus the pedal ???
 
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NOISE is good sometimes
do u think hendrix would be hendrix if he had a noise gate cutting off his noisy solos
 
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the_Chris said:
What type of noise gates do *you* like? Name some manufacturers so other folks can see where you're coming from.

I've owned the HUSH Super C, tried the MXR Noise Gate pedals, tried a HUSH the Pedal and IICX, Boss NS-2 and the ISP was the best with the NS-2 very close behind.

Like I said earlier, most pedals do sacrifice the tone. Some of the HUSH stuff was downright awful and the MXR put focus on the lowend and added compression. The NS-2 had pretty minimal changes with its included buffer and the ISP was completely transparent and has a smooth decay to the cutting off of hiss or hum (it doesn't need an extra knob because the circuit is intelligent enough to take care of that for you).
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To be honest, the only noise gates I use these days are the one built-in to the Pod XT and the ProTools plug-ins. They both do exactly as I stated: kill the output below the threshold. I don't know of a pedal on the market that does that - they all do some sort of frequency notching, even the MXR.

Re: the ISP - I would still like to have the extra knob. Call me a control freak, but I would like the ability to set the attack myself. But it is all moot, since the Decimator is a HUSH circuit and I would never use it anyway.
 
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The same guy who started rocktron's Hush productions is doing all of the ISP stuff. He sold rocktron and started ISP. So the Decimator is just a newer version of the HUSH circuit. It works very well, but my friend has had serious problems with his making weird noises, the battery clip didnt work and it hates being next to certain pedals. Next to a crybaby for some reason it would not allow the wah to be fully shut off, there was always some wah coming through the signal making it sound flubby. All noise gates screw your clean tone so theres really no way aroudn that. I find that the MXR smartgate is the most reliable noise gate you can get, it doesnt screw up and it doesnt change your sound too much. It doesnt have the range of suppression that the ISP does but you really shouldnt need that much anyway.
 
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It looks like that Electro Harmonix Hum Debugger is going to wipe the floor w/any noise gate, since it just removes the hum. I highly recommend anyone try it.
 
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ParameterMan said:
Check out the ISP Decimator ProRack G. Unfortunately, it's a one-space rack unit, but it does that very thing. I want one someday when I'm rich. The other thing that could be used is any good pro audio gate with a sidechain input.
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ISP is getting stronger with the masses so what exactly are the tonal advantages of ProRackG versus the pedal ??? please, like totally please ???
 
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Dr.Mavashi said:
ISP is getting stronger with the masses so what exactly are the tonal advantages of ProRackG versus the pedal ??? please, like totally please ???
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The Pro Rack is better because you can set it in front of the preamp and also in front of power amp (through the FX Loop of your amp) so it cuts more than noise suppressors most folks are used to. Right now I'm just running a regular ISP Decimator pedal through the FX Loop to cut out noise.

I hated the old HUSH stuff and I can safely say that the ISP is much, much better. I hate the added coloration from the MXR boxes, so that's why I recommend the ISP. The NS-2 has less coloration than the MXRs, but isn't quite as transparent as the ISP.
 
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the_Chris said:
The Pro Rack is better because you can set it in front of the preamp and also in front of power amp (through the FX Loop of your amp) so it cuts more than noise suppressors most folks are used to.
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Thanks Dude, sorry to continue, but, what do you mean by the quote above ?
will it cut off some of the noise that a string makes after you leave it after a really fast triplet for example ??? Thanks.
 
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Dr.Mavashi said:
Thanks Dude, sorry to continue, but, what do you mean by the quote above ?
will it cut off some of the noise that a string makes after you leave it after a really fast triplet for example ??? Thanks.
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Think of it as two noise suppressors in one. Most musicians just throw a noise suppressor in front of the preamp (that is, right into the input on an amp) and leave it there. The Pro Rack essentially attacks noise in both the preamp and poweramp so you have better noise suppression. The key is to get noise cut off before you're done playing your last note, this isn't your typical noise gate where you set how fast you want to attack the noise after a note is played (which often leads to the loss of dynamics or sustain). Noise gates or suppressors always have to be tweaked right to your setup or you'll never be able to hold out clean notes like you'd like to. I've learned this all to well over the years :)
 
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Mephis said:
Please explain that statement?
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I think I already did. It notches out the frequency ranges that are succeptible to hum, as opposed to simply gating. This will change the tone. Any time you take frequencies out of your signal - no matter where on the audible band it is - the tone will change. If you're ok with that, then cool, but I'm not.

Some noise removers are very intelligent (and as a result very expensive), but they all more or less do the same thing.
 
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