#@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

[tone?]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

My first job i did was with Nitro.

Here in Greece tho we dont have ReRanch or anything like that so...i went to a really good paint store and researched it well with the guy that owns it. i go to this guy to get paint for my house. i never go the cheap way with paint! it DOES make a difference.
so he gave me nitro but it wasnt in a spray can, so i went to these guys that make paint for cars and they put it in a can. It worked beautifully.

The awesome thing about nitro is that when you mess up it blends awesome. cant see the difference. Anyway the more time nitro sits the better so i dried real well. it was kind sticky at first, like the new eric johnson necks are. but now it is hard and has a great shine to it.

go nitro.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

I do the same thing as tone? (having the paints mixed and rattlecanned to my specs), but I use poly. I´d prefer a HVLP gun and compressor, but I just don´t have the room for it, and with a rattlecan I can just walk out onto the street and start spraying.

No issues so far

 

[Davey]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

I do the same thing as tone? (having the paints mixed and rattlecanned to my specs), but I use poly. I´d prefer a HVLP gun and compressor, but I just don´t have the room for it, and with a rattlecan I can just walk out onto the street and start spraying.

No issues so far

good... you'll get a call from me when i find a charvel predator body

 

[firebirdVII]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

This is what you get from purchasing from Warmoth!

Let the buyer beware!

Well... Everyone was quoting this. So I buckled to peer pressure, like you're perfect?

Oh well, good luck with your guitar. I know that these things make waiting to plug it in even worse.

 

[butnut]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Sorry to hear of your peeling issues rd. Pulling tape is always scarey. NEVER just lift it and yank. Slowly peel and pull at a sharp angle. Spray can poly is not the same as an automotive poly. Auto is catalyzed to harden in hours...chemically. Spray cans have no catalyst or it would harden in the can. I do recall recently, someone invented a spray can with a catalyst 'inside' that is activated before you spray...now that is amazing. My beef with painting is setup and cleanup time, a PITA, still, I prefer to shoot with a gun and compressor.
Spray poly will take years to get as hard as an auto poly, but it will. I stripped a Fender bass to wood (douh!) in the 70's and did a clear poly finish. I bought that bass about 10 years ago, and tried to refinish it 2 years ago. I put aircraft stripper on it...nothing! I ended up scuff sanding and did a nitro lacquer finish.
Speaking of nitro, it is a very old style of paint. Dries fast, but slow curing time. It does 'melt' into the previous coat which is good for blending repairs, but this is the ONLY paint where sanding between coats (about 3) with drying time inbetween is needed for good bonds. You need this for the 'layers' to dry out, then sand to physically bond the next layers. Shoot it in multi coats too thick, and it will take forever to cure. As far as modern acrylic lacquers, poo on sanding, you'll muck up the finish...it's a lacquer, but a different animal...this is not your grandpas paint.
I don't think spraying more rattle clear is gonna level out like it was'nt there, if it was lacquer, you could spot spray and later sand and buff level. That poly is gonna take a long time before you can sand/buff, and I would'nt wanna attempt that, unless I waited a few long years. With lacquer, a few months cure, with auto poly, a few days. If you're real anal, start over, predrill what ya have to, it's only paint. Everyone makes mistakes, I learned from mine, also...never rush paint, in any step. Good luck.

 

[beandip]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

I stripped a Fender bass to wood (douh!) in the 70's and did a clear poly finish. I bought that bass about 10 years ago, and tried to refinish it 2 years ago. I put aircraft stripper on it...nothing! I ended up scuff sanding and did a nitro lacquer finish.

you should check out Ace brand Extra Strength stripper. It's more of a paste than a liquid, so It can stay on a given area. Not to mention how great it is. I thought nothing would remove the finish from an old squier body I had but sanding. Bought some of the Ace stripper, brushed it on real thick, then wrapped the body up in a thick sheet of plastic (to lock in the stripper, and the smell). 2 days later, it scraped right off without a problem.

 

[butnut]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Kool, thanks bd. I used a lot of stripper in my bike resto days, I hate that ****. I restored my moped and had to use some, but the 3M paint remover disc did a better job, super dusty but it loved how fast it took off old poly...I'd never use it on a wood body though. Also with stripper, you MUST use a stripper wash to remove any trace of it on the wood, if a tiny bit is left in the grains, it can creep out later to haunt your beautiful paint job.
My 1977Puch...
http://pics.montypics.com/butnut/2006-07-21/1153567936_113_1369_img.jpg

 

[beandip]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

that's a pretty cool little moped. Hey, I'm seriously thinking about moving to Hawaii, how is it over there?

 

[butnut]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

It's hot, but mostly very expensive to live here. Rent is insane, I bought my house 15 years ago, but average house is around 5-6 hundred K...and it ain't no mansion, just a generic house. Highest gas prices...everything is pricey, but I've lived here all my life and have just rolled with it. Met a couple who moved here to try and make a go. He has a good job, 25 bucks and hour, they will move back...too expensive, I suppose scraping by is an option, but not living very well, it's tough, but we are pretty damn crowded, traffic sucks, but it's still paradise. Take the good with the bad and make it work, lemme know if ya do come over...bet ya make a mean beandip..LOL:dance:

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Just sprayed the third coat. I'm wet sanding with 400 between coats, and that seems to be helping blend it a bit. I'm definitely looking at putting at least another 5 or 6 coats on this thing. It's a hot day, so fortunately the poly is drying very quickly.

Thanks everyone for the tips. butnut, are you sure I need to wait a whole year?!? It looked awesome the first time I polished it.

 

[Davey]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

i'm afraid that, if it doesnt have a hardener, you're gonna have to wait an idiotic ammount of time =/


spray it and hope for the best. good luck again

 

[JohnnyGuitar]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Good luck man!!!!!!

 

[butnut]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Here's how to tell if it's fully cured. Take for example, a stock Fender guitar. Try and press your fingernail into it...you can't, it's won't. Try doing this in an area you won't see on your finished poly, I'll bet ya the finish will have a mark. It may dry to the touch, but even the 400 you're using may 'cut' but the paper will gum up quickly and not 'powder' off like cured poly. Still, sounds like you're getting some progress, let it 'bake' in the hot sun, let each coat dry before the next, I doubt you'll have solvent pop issues like the catalyzed stuff, but I don't use the rattle can stuff. Good luck, put up some pics.

 

[Stratman]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Yea, I still blame Warmoth, just because...

Rant, rant, rant - For everyone who love Warmoth - Good luck.

Why not buy the real product from Fender, Gibson etc and be over with it.

Because someone is alway looking to improve - so what I am sure that this post will get a lot of pedantic responses.


Flame on boys!

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Yea, I still blame Warmoth, just because... Rant, rant, rant - For everyone who love Warmoth - Good luck. Why not buy the real product from Fender, Gibson etc and be over with it. Because someone is alway looking to improve - so what I am sure that this post will get a lot of pedantic responses.
Flame on boys!

Flame on? Ok, WARMOTH is USA. Might not be hand made, maybe overpriced, but it's not for building a "from scratch" guitar. The guitars coming from warmoth are just as "real" as fender / gibson, and honestly there are certain gibson models people pay like $2K-$3K and even up, brand new, for what? Because someone happened to use the same thing, minus the sweat and grime? Screw that. I respect Fender and Gibson, but in all honesty, Warmoth isn't better or worse. Don't flame warmoth because you screwed up your own guitar trying to take shortcuts, especially when ON THEIR WEBSITE they recommend that you let THEM put the paint and coat on it. You didn't do that, now you can only blame yourself.

I'm not trying to stomp a mud puddle in you, but you asked for it.

 

[firebirdVII]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Flame on? Ok, WARMOTH is USA. Might not be hand made, maybe overpriced, but it's not for building a "from scratch" guitar, and they never advertise. The guitars coming from warmoth are just as "real" as fender / gibson, and honestly there are certain gibson models people pay like $2K-$3K and even up, brand new, for what? Because someone happened to use the same thing, minus the sweat and grime? Screw that. I respect Fender and Gibson, but in all honesty, Warmoth isn't better or worse. Don't flame warmoth because you screwed up your own guitar trying to take shortcuts, especially when ON THEIR WEBSITE they recommend that you let THEM put the paint and coat on it. You didn't do that, now you can only blame yourself.

I'm not trying to stomp a mud puddle in you, but you asked for it.

Err... I think you may have gotten your online peers mixed up.

As for Warmoth, who cares? If someone wants to build a Warmoth guitar, let them without being a PITA (not necessarily directed towards any one person).

 

[Xeromus]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

The Warmoth products I own are fantastic. That's really all I have to say, sorry I'm not adding much to this thread.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Here's how to tell if it's fully cured. Take for example, a stock Fender guitar. Try and press your fingernail into it...you can't, it's won't. Try doing this in an area you won't see on your finished poly, I'll bet ya the finish will have a mark. It may dry to the touch, but even the 400 you're using may 'cut' but the paper will gum up quickly and not 'powder' off like cured poly. Still, sounds like you're getting some progress, let it 'bake' in the hot sun, let each coat dry before the next, I doubt you'll have solvent pop issues like the catalyzed stuff, but I don't use the rattle can stuff. Good luck, put up some pics.

Thanks butnut. I found part of the existing finish that won't be exposed (it will be under the neckplate), and pressed it as hard as I could with my fingernail. It made a teeny tiny scratch.

Five coats done today. I'd like to do at least 4 more. At present, the surface is perfectly smooth across the edge of the peel, but there is still a noticeable colour difference from where the finish peeled off. The colour gets closer with every coat though, so I'm still fairly confident.

I'll post a pic or two tomorrow when the sun's out.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Yea, I still blame Warmoth, just because...

Rant, rant, rant - For everyone who love Warmoth - Good luck.

Why not buy the real product from Fender, Gibson etc and be over with it.

Because someone is alway looking to improve - so what I am sure that this post will get a lot of pedantic responses.


Flame on boys!

Great post as usual! :smack:

 

[Zerberus]

Re: #@$@#$!14%$%!~~!!!! Poly peeled off my Warmoth!

Yea, I still blame Warmoth, just because...

Rant, rant, rant - For everyone who love Warmoth - Good luck.

Why not buy the real product from Fender, Gibson etc and be over with it.

Because someone is alway looking to improve - so what I am sure that this post will get a lot of pedantic responses.


Flame on boys!

Well, you´re continuously bashing Warmoth while providing neither Coherent supporting arguments nor any insight into what your personal beef with Warmoth is. Right now you´re simply making a laughing stock out of yourself with posts slamming a respected manufacturer for NO apparent reason, and not exactly making an effort to give a reason either. Please either do so or return to the sandbox, as a senseful discussion with trolls is impossible and not worth anyone´s time. And right now it´s pretty obvious that you´re trolling....

And I think you completely misunderstand Warmoth´s business mission.

Warmoth is in existence as a REPLACEMENT PARTS company. Ever tried to get a replacement Fender Neck and Keep the old one? Have fun if you haven´t tried yet. And don´t even think about getting something with a fret more, or a different profile. You either love the original feel or you´re SOL

The reason people buy Warmoth Parts and assemble guitars is because not everybody wants to buy a stock Fender and invest another 1000$ in mods, but some would rather spend 500$ less and get exactly what they want, just without the resale value of a Fender.

Bottom line, Warmoth does NOT make "fake" guitars as your post implies, but rather players and techs w/ Warmoth parts do. And those that do are doing so because they´re NOT satisfied with what they can get off the rack.

Sorry, but you´re essentially saying:
"To hell with what people want, buy the real thing whether it suits you or not"
=
"What? You want a Humbucker in teh neck of your strat??? Then Get a USA Strat and irrevocably devalue it by having it routed out."
=
"What?? You want a 25.5" scale bolt on les paul?? Then buy a real gibson, have the bridge repositioned, have a new neck made, and have the entire guitar refinished
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"If we don´t already make it, then you can go to hell!"

As a side note, businesses with that philosophy generally don´t last very long...

And the best thing about this post is it´s coming from a NON-supporter of Warmoth (or rather, one that hasn´t used anything from them in years becasue he can do it better himself). Overstating an argument while at the same time providing zero substance is the best way to get your side to turn against you as well