2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

[Curt]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

the JSX is far more than 100 dollars more than the bugera 333xl which is what its a copy of. some of us CANNOT afford the JSX but we still want that sound. some people have to settle, and its nice to have a cheaper alternative, get over it.

because you know, if everyone had the money, they'd probably buy the real deal, but thats not always the case.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

^^ I´ll "get over it" when the same people that complain day in and day out about the ****ed up practices of big business and capitalism and how they´re screwing up everybodey´s life stop directly supporting those practices by buying products like this. Just becasue people don´t want to accept the truth doesn´t change it´s validity.

Cheap is definitely the right word , though.. I played both a 333xl and a 6202 last week not knowing it was Behringer and attracted by the price, and my first thoughts after plugging in were exactly the same ones as before turning it on: a cheap copy that sounds similar but can´t match the original in any way. And this was both through the Bugera cabs and the Peavey cabs.

Bottom line: forgeries stunt innovation and damage economies. And ANYBODY that buys a Behringer, Bugera, Burny, Tokai, Greco, Edwards or similar outright forgery is directly to fault for this, and has absolutely no right to ever complain about their own financial situation or being laid off of their job due to company downsizing.

May not be your problem yet, at 17 I assume you still go to school... But one day, you´ll also have to work for a living. IF there are still jobs to be had at all outside of fast food...

You have a bugera and you like it, great for you. But I recommend you don´t try to forbid others from voicing their opinions just because you don´t agree, because you have neither the experience, knowledge, right or authority to do so. The only people on here that can do that are the admins, and with 75 posts and a feb 2009 join date, you are most certainly NOT one of them.

For the record, when I was 17 I worked fulltime as a luthier AND still went to school so I could buy a marshall for the upcoming Suffersystem recording sessions, so don`t think I´ve never been young and poor. I just didn´t feel I was entitled to what I couldn´t afford, unlike most generations after mine. Nobody has a right to own luxury items. That´s why we have to work for them

And many people also forget that there is a huge USED gear market out there, where a 6505 or XXX is often less expensive than the copy. But of course in todays "NOW, NOW, GOTTA HAVE IT RIGHT NOW!" society nobody has the patience to wait a week until an eBay auction ends...


Back to topic: I see Marshall, HK, Laney and Peavey heads going for <600€ all the time on eBay.de, and Greece is in the EU, so I can´t really magine there being that much of a problem unless theres some regulatory shiznit your government imposes on intra-EU transactions (which IIRC would go against multiple EU directives as well as the whole Idea of the EU in the first place)

 

[Porto Leone]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

If you´re looking at a bugera, spend 100$ more and get the Peavey its a ripoff of...

It´s one thing for Behringer to be forging high dollar products, but ripping off an amp that barely costs anything in the first place (XXX, JSX ans 6505) and isn´t exactly an age old icon is just the epitome of the flat out lameness that has always been Behringer`s mission statement "Let the others do the work, we only want the cash". ... and it also means means massive corner cutting, which on a tube amp is NEVER good..

Seriously, as long as Behringer exist, it´s no surprise to me that the number of innovations in the electronics sector has taken a massive hit... I mean, why design something if you´re only going to foot the bill for R&D because Behringer ripped you off as soon as you hit the market and undercut you by 50%?

I won´t pay Behringer to steal other people´s ideas, and nobody else should, either.... I make a note to never purchase anything by an artist that knowingly uses behringer products, but will if at all illegally download it and spread copies it like wildfire.

Just like Behringer did with the plans for thier gear

i agree totally!

 

[Porto Leone]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

one more thing: in my original post, i've said "<600$", which means below 500 euros (it must be including shipping). i just posted the price in US dollars, since most of the members here live in the USA.
and i'd never buy a used amp without checking it with my own eyes first. being said that, i believe my only choices are off e-bay shops or local pick-up. in my country though, people wanna sell used stuff very close to the original price, lol!

 

[Zerberus]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

^^ thats true, I remember Tone! more or less constantly being irked at the shops in Athens and the almost mafia-like racket that seems to be going on with used gear in your country...

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

If you´re looking at a bugera, spend 100$ more and get the Peavey its a ripoff of...

It´s one thing for Behringer to be forging high dollar products, but ripping off an amp that barely costs anything in the first place (XXX, JSX ans 6505) and isn´t exactly an age old icon is just the epitome of the flat out lameness that has always been Behringer`s mission statement "Let the others do the work, we only want the cash". ... and it also means means massive corner cutting, which on a tube amp is NEVER good..

Seriously, as long as Behringer exist, it´s no surprise to me that the number of innovations in the electronics sector has taken a massive hit... I mean, why design something if you´re only going to foot the bill for R&D because Behringer ripped you off as soon as you hit the market and undercut you by 50%?

I won´t pay Behringer to steal other people´s ideas, and nobody else should, either.... I make a note to never purchase anything by an artist that knowingly uses behringer products, but will if at all illegally download it and spread copies it like wildfire.

Just like Behringer did with the plans for thier gear

Cost barely anything in the first place?
Where the hell do you live, inside the actual Peavey Factory?
A JSX costs 3 times as much as a Bugera if you live in Australia, Peavey is actually pretty expensive here.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

Cost barely anything in the first place?

What do reliable, "par for the course", semi-mass produced amps like Marshalls, Mesas, VHTs, Engls, Bogners, and Brunettis cost? More or less than a Peavey?

Where the hell do you live, inside the actual Peavey Factory?

In Germany, where the Bugera´s price is lower than most other places and the Peaveys are about 50% more expensive than the US market just because they´re here at all.. The Peavey costs barely twice as much here as the Bugera brand new, which with a cost of 500 bucks brand new for the ripoff is a joke... 1k for a good head like a 6505? That´s like having the salesman pay YOU to take it off his hands and out of his sight, I paid more for my first Marshall head 15 years ago, and it was nowhere near the amps we´re discussing. Not to mention the original will take infinitely more abuse / is significantly more roadworthy. That saves money again by not having to replace the cheapo everytime somebody looks at it funny...

For comparison, a Mesa Stiletto Deuce, which is far from a boutique amp, costs 2,5k€ + shipping, or 3k locally. Or a Marshall KK sig 2203 costs 1,5k + shipping or 1,8 locally... and Marshalls are dirt cheap in Europe and always have been....

A JSX costs 3 times as much as a Bugera if you live in Australia, Peavey is actually pretty expensive here.

As is EVERYTHING imported from the US to OZ if you haven´t noticed... skews the comparison more than a bit

Porto: What might be a good idea (not sure of what you´re looking for tonally) is a Peavey Valve King or Windsor, thomann ships europe wide and sells them for 399/299€ new and shipped to your door. (cheaper than a Bugera BTW). 100 watts masy be a bit much, but when a tube amp isnt cranked you´re only hearing the preamp anyway (which would be the case at practice volumes.)... but remember it´s easier to turn it down than it is to get 100 watts out of a 15 watt amp

http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_valve_king_head.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_windsor.htm

I think shipping to Greece is like 30 bucks more or something, theres a greek version of the site, too

 

[Porto Leone]

Re: 2-channel tube or SS amp (<600$)

Porto: What might be a good idea (not sure of what you´re looking for tonally) is a Peavey Valve King or Windsor, thomann ships europe wide and sells them for 399/299€ new and shipped to your door. (cheaper than a Bugera BTW). 100 watts masy be a bit much, but when a tube amp isnt cranked you´re only hearing the preamp anyway (which would be the case at practice volumes.)... but remember it´s easier to turn it down than it is to get 100 watts out of a 15 watt amp

http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_valve_king_head.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_windsor.htm

I think shipping to Greece is like 30 bucks more or something, theres a greek version of the site, too

You are correct, maybe the VK112 will finally do the job. I'm between that one and the Laney VC 15. i want decent clean sounds from my amps and i think the vintage oriented VC15 would fit my needs better. the VC series are made in the UK, i see many reports for reliability issues though and that makes my mind twisted!... The Windsor doesn't seem to be a good deal to me (1 channel with only dirty sounds available and many bad reviews).