4x10 cabs and combos: show 'em if ya got 'em

[dr0]

Following on from the "Favorite Fender 1x12 combo amp" I thought it would be fun to explore all things 4x10 on a thread.

Do you have one? Have you played one? Do you like the unusual 4x10 format?

I got into the 4x10 when I wanted a smaller easier to move amp for gigging in small clubs than my Orange 1/2 stack. In fact, the sound guy who mixed at one place we played at said "you would sound better in this room with a smaller amp" . A Fender 59 reissue Bassman was the result. I've played it way more than the other amps in my collection since i bought it.

One thing I like about it is the 4x10 open back cab design really seems to fill a room. It's led me to like all the main features of that amp: open back cabs, 4x10 speaker setups, and tweed Fenders. None of which had previously rated that high on my list of cool things in an amp.

Like the title says: "show 'em if ya got 'em" , or just focus on the "tell" part of show & tell if you lack pictures.

 

[dr0]

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My 59 Bassman RI with a couple of guitars, hot off the weekly practice session.
On the right is a Gibson L6-S, a limited edition reissue they did a few years ago.
On the left is a G&S ASAT Classic, circa 2000.

 

[dr0]

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SRV used a lot of amps, sometimes at once!
Still the Fender Super Reverb was always in the mix.
I believe one of his most common setups was Marshall for rhythm and Super Reverb for leads, which sounds counter-intuitive, but I believe was what he frequently did.

 

[dr0]

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According to the video I snatched this from the one on the right is a 1965 Blackface and the one on the left a 1980 silverface.
The guys does a pretty cool A/B using them for blues harp!



Here's the link: Blackface vs. Silverface Super Reverb Harp Comparo

 

[dr0]

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When "Wired" magazine ran an article on Leo Fender when he died they illustrated it with this pic:

 

[dr0]

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The famous Marshall combo amp, the Bluesbreaker originally came in a 4x12 version, too. They are very rare and pricey now (I saw one advertised for $11,000} and Marshall doesn't build a RI version.
Get out your solder iron if you want one! And of course we all know the history of the Bassman and Marshall amps, so this seems like the most pure early Marshall in some ways...



By the way, I copped this picture from a pretty cool blog: Jefs Tube Amp Blog

 

[dr0]

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In the 1980's Marshall made mini cabs styled to look just like the classic 4x12, but using a 4x10 configuration. I believe they were the model 1965 cabs (as opposed to the 1960 models we all know and love, the 4x12 cabs). All the ones I've seen are slant-cabs, but they probably made the "B" style square ones too so you could build a mini stack. It's hard to tell what they are unless they are next to a regular 4x12, the look so similar.

 

[dr0]

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*** YOUR TURN ***

 

[Securb]

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I have a 70s orange stripe Randell Commander. The thing sounds sick with the right stomp. It really shines with cleans especially acoustic guitar. This is an internet pic of one. Mine is at my friend's house he has been using it since his Marshall blew up.

 

[johnthomas]

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My new to me Fender Blues DeVille 4x10
If this pic shows I'll do a few more

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[johnthomas]

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yay pics work today
Here are the Eminence blue frame with paper former 10" alnico
Read a long thread online and seems the only way the paper formers are available is through Fender stock replacement speakers.
When the speakers say Eminence on them they are the modern material formers. These paper ones are rated at 30 watts by Fender. The newer material is rated at 35 watts but not quite the same sound.

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[johnthomas]

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forgot 2 add these..duh

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[Aceman]

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In the 1980's Marshall made mini cabs styled to look just like the classic 4x12, but using a 4x10 configuration. I believe they were the model 1965 cabs (as opposed to the 1960 models we all know and love, the 4x12 cabs). All the ones I've seen are slant-cabs, but they probably made the "B" style square ones too so you could build a mini stack. It's hard to tell what they are unless they are next to a regular 4x12, the look so similar.

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Yes! And "punch" is not even close to armor piercing abilities of the focussed sound out of one of those.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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In the 1980's Marshall made mini cabs styled to look just like the classic 4x12, but using a 4x10 configuration. I believe they were the model 1965 cabs (as opposed to the 1960 models we all know and love, the 4x12 cabs). All the ones I've seen are slant-cabs, but they probably made the "B" style square ones too so you could build a mini stack. It's hard to tell what they are unless they are next to a regular 4x12, the look so similar.

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Those make fine diagonal 2x12s with a baffle change too.

 

[PFDarkside]

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I’ve always wanted a Super Reverb, and the 4x10 Mesa Lonestar looks cool as well.

 

[Wattage]

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I run a custom built 4x10 cab, 8 ohms - 2-Ramrods/2-Ragin Cajuns in an X. Great cab, love it! From RockNRollAmps built by Fusco Cabinets

 

[Wattage]

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In the 1980's Marshall made mini cabs styled to look just like the classic 4x12, but using a 4x10 configuration. I believe they were the model 1965 cabs (as opposed to the 1960 models we all know and love, the 4x12 cabs). All the ones I've seen are slant-cabs, but they probably made the "B" style square ones too so you could build a mini stack. It's hard to tell what they are unless they are next to a regular 4x12, the look so similar.

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Just used one to record

1965B

 

[Boogie Bill]

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After all my gear was stolen in 1973, including my BF Bandmaster 212 rig, I bought a new Gibson SS 410 combo. Couldn't find a used Fender amp I could afford. It actually sounded pretty good, and I actually had it a whole two days before I took it back and traded back in on a SUNN Solos II 212 combo.

The problem was simple: even with my big Ford station wagon, I couldn't fit that big 410 cab in the car with the rest of my PA gear! Fortunately, the SUNN worked well for me for many years.

But everytime I think about getting another 410 combo, I flinch. They are just not very portable.

Bill

 

[dr0]

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I run a custom built 4x10 cab, 8 ohms - 2-Ramrods/2-Ragin Cajuns in an X. Great cab, love it! From RockNRollAmps built by Fusco Cabinets

That's a very nice looking cab. Did you build it yourself? If so, you have some very nice woodworking chops. It looks like it's set up to be used with a closed back. Is that how you run it?

Another buddy of mine has built a 2x12 cab with three vertical panels that allow him to "tune" the amount of openness. The panels are not exactly the same size, a wider or narrower one can be used in the lower position. He says that even the two inches difference in the height of this bottom panel is audible. (So, he ends up running the top in place and the slightly larger bottom in place and the middle open, similar to a classic combo amp setup.

Have you experimented with "semi-open" like this?

 

[dr0]

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After all my gear was stolen in 1973, including my BF Bandmaster 212 rig, I bought a new Gibson SS 410 combo. Couldn't find a used Fender amp I could afford. It actually sounded pretty good, and I actually had it a whole two days before I took it back and traded back in on a SUNN Solos II 212 combo.

The problem was simple: even with my big Ford station wagon, I couldn't fit that big 410 cab in the car with the rest of my PA gear! Fortunately, the SUNN worked well for me for many years.

But everytime I think about getting another 410 combo, I flinch. They are just not very portable.

Bill

If you go look at the picture of my Bassman in post #2 you can see right next to it is my JCM-800 2x12 combo (in original red tolex!). They are almost the same size, as you can see in the picture.
I haven't weighed them myself but according to the catalogs the Bassman RI is:

Amp Height 22.37" (56.81 cm)
Amp Width 23.5" (59.7 cm)
Amp Depth 10.5" (26.7 cm)
Amp Weight 53 lbs. (24 kg)

While the Marshall JVM 205C (current production 50 watt combo)

Amp Height 20.1" (51.0 cm)
Amp Width 27.2" (69.0 cm)
Amp Depth 10.4" (26.5 cm)
Amp Weight 65 lbs (29.5 kg)

Of course, these are not the two amps that you were talking about. But in general one thing I like about 4x10's , besides the sound, is that they are relatively light for the amount of sound that they put out.
I notice the weight of the Marshall more than the size of the Bassman when I move them together, which is pretty frequently.