50s Strat pickups vs 60s Strat pickups.

jalguitarman

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Was wondering if anyone here could give me some insight. What are the differences in output and tone between 50s and 60s Strat single coils. Say between a a 54 set and a 63 set? Are the tonal differences that huge? Tank you.
 
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If you're talking repros, then it depends on the specific set really. Fat 50's sound punchy and 57/62's are more middle of the road and softer (at least thats what I hear).

If its originals, it could be anything. They wound them to differing turns as the 50's went on (generally 59 is the peak for turns, averaging out at a bit over 6k), but sets are quite individual, so the winding pattern could well have been irregular as it was with PAF's and p90's
 
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The length of the D and G rod magnets changed as plain G strings became more popular. This would have affected the volume balance more than the tone. The greatest change tone-wise would have come about with the changes in body and fingerboard woods.
 
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The length of the D and G rod magnets changed as plain G strings became more popular. This would have affected the volume balance more than the tone. The greatest change tone-wise would have come about with the changes in body and fingerboard woods.

Don't forget in '54 they used A3 rod magnets!
 
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54 used A3 but shortly after they switched to A5, then from about 5.7k they slowly and gradually grew hotter as time went on to somewhere about 6.3k until Leo sold the company to CBS in 65. After that then the specs went back to around 5.7k and the copper wire used changed from formvar coating to plain enamel. This later design is what is traditionally known as the "69" style strat pickup though it was technically used from around 66 through the 70s. 65 is also when the pickups went from hand guided winding to pure machine windings.

Here's my source:

http://www.guitarhq.com/pickups.html
 
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On average, early Strat pickups pickups have a few hundred fewer turns than early '60's pickups. But the word "average" is very important to understand in that statement. When making generalizations about the original Fender pickups, the pickups have to be summed up by these "averages" due to their inconsistency. But now, it's kind of backwards, and we have reverse-engineered pickups that are made specifically to fit the old averages. Instead of making their pickups "loosely," i.e. with a lot of variability, and letting the average establish itself, modern manufacturers force their pickups to fit certain pre-existing averages by precisely controlling the way their pickups are wound. So it's easier to generalize "'50's" and "'60's" when you're talking about what they mean to modern pickup makers, not to the original Fender pickups.

Long story short, to a modern pickup maker, the '60's style pickups will be a little bit darker and a little bit higher in output than the '50's ones. If you're talking about old Fender pickups, it's more difficult to predict how any one pickup from any period will sound.

However, I personally find the differences are not that great. IME, they're close enough that either type can fairly easily be made to sound pretty much like the other, if you have a good amp and you know how to use it.
 
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+1 to ItsaBass,
I play 1 Strat with a Fender '69 in the middle, 5.8K, and another with a 57/62 6.2 or so, in the mid, and if I don't change my amp or guitar settings, including pup hight, the '69 is quite clean, a little sharp ("kinda") ice-picky, but not too much, the 57/62 is very round to my ears, a little more balanced across the strings.
Both quack nicely with my TwangBanger in the neck on both. I can get the sound close enough by changing the guitar or amp settings for either pup that in a blind test I don't think you could tell them apart
I like them both as they each sound a little different with my ECPickup bridge HBuckers in the famous "4" position. The 2 position is just heavenly on both. Pretty loud buzz wise, on 2, but not enough to bother me. 4 is almost quiet.
As Lt.K says: HTH hope that helps
I think the 57/62 would be very close to mid '50's specs.
SJB
 
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I think the 57/62 would be very close to mid '50s specs.

I agree that the Fender 57/62 model is a very honest replica vintage-style Stratocaster pickup. This could be its downfall. Many users seek "vintage" tone but with a wind on the hotter end of the original manufacturing tolerance range. This is where the SSL-1 and -2 come in.
 
Re: 50s Strat pickups vs 60s Strat pickups.

I personally find the differences are not that great. IME, they're close enough that either type can fairly easily be made to sound pretty much like the other, if you have a good amp and you know how to use it.

On revisiting my Soundcloud account for the first time in months, I rediscovered a pickup test recording that I made back in February. One of the guitar tracks was my trusty Fender AVRI '62 with Ant II Surfers and Twangbanger. The other two tracks were a MIM Strat fitted with Fender Super 55 Split Coil, noise-cancelling pickups. (Blackstar HT-5H amp, BOSS FRV-1 Reverb pedal.) Surprise, surprise. On playback, both instruments sound like one would wish a Stratocaster to sound. Both bridge position pickups are capable of sounding gnarly, just in different ways.
 
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Not the best comparision but I've used Fender Fat 50s and Fender 69s strat sets and to me the Fat 50s were chimey and pristine while the 69s were more dirty and raw...I felt like both sets were awesome just that the 69s were more of a hot set that didn't clean up as nicely as the Fat 50s. Just my two cents...
 
Re: 50s Strat pickups vs 60s Strat pickups.

Was wondering if anyone here could give me some insight. What are the differences in output and tone between 50s and 60s Strat single coils. Say between a a 54 set and a 63 set? Are the tonal differences that huge? Tank you.
I've got a '54 set in my strat. They sound fat and very clear, but with less scooped mids than the sixties pups. They also have a lower output.

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