eclecticsynergy
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Hoping any circuit-savvy folks here can advise me- are there reasons why this wouldn't be advisable? or is it worth trying?
50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone control
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Boogie Bill
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Why not?
I will say that on these guitars, I prefer a master volume and two tone controls. YMMV.
Bill
Why not?
I will say that on these guitars, I prefer a master volume and two tone controls. YMMV.
Bill
eclecticsynergy
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Thanks, I wasn't sure. Fella over at another forum told me that modern wiring was impossible without two tone controls so all Vs & Explorers automatically had to be wired 50s style. That sounded unlikely to me, but I wasn't sure if there might be unfortunate interactions linking the two styles together to a single tone pot.
I prefer to keep two volume controls; the pickups are Bareknuckle Rebel Yells and the bridge is signifcantly hotter than the neck.
Thanks, I wasn't sure. Fella over at another forum told me that modern wiring was impossible without two tone controls so all Vs & Explorers automatically had to be wired 50s style. That sounded unlikely to me, but I wasn't sure if there might be unfortunate interactions linking the two styles together to a single tone pot.
I prefer to keep two volume controls; the pickups are Bareknuckle Rebel Yells and the bridge is signifcantly hotter than the neck.
Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Actually, what that other forum member told you was accurate. The thing that differentiates modern from 50's wiring is how the vol pot is connected to the tone pot. On modern wiring, the lead to the tone pot comes off of the vol pot input lug. On 50's wiring the lead to the tone pot comes off of the vol pot output lug. In your case with just one tone pot, the lead from the switch to the tone pot comes from the output lug of each vol pot.
Therefore, you cannot have one pup wired modern and the other pup wired 50's unless you have two tone pots.
Actually, what that other forum member told you was accurate. The thing that differentiates modern from 50's wiring is how the vol pot is connected to the tone pot. On modern wiring, the lead to the tone pot comes off of the vol pot input lug. On 50's wiring the lead to the tone pot comes off of the vol pot output lug. In your case with just one tone pot, the lead from the switch to the tone pot comes from the output lug of each vol pot.
Therefore, you cannot have one pup wired modern and the other pup wired 50's unless you have two tone pots.
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Funkfingers
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
On a typical Gibson or Hamer three pot harness, the connection sequence is pickups > volume pots > selector switch > master tone > output jack socket. The signal arriving at the tone pot is always going to have come from the selector switch's combined output terminals.
On a typical Gibson or Hamer three pot harness, the connection sequence is pickups > volume pots > selector switch > master tone > output jack socket. The signal arriving at the tone pot is always going to have come from the selector switch's combined output terminals.
Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Exactly.
Exactly.
Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Actually, you are wrong. What he wants cannot be done.
Actually, you are wrong. What he wants cannot be done.
eclecticsynergy
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Ah, I get it now. Thanks everyone.
Ah, I get it now. Thanks everyone.
crusty philtrum
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Yup, GuitarDoc and FF (posts #5 and 6) are correct. I had personal experience when thinking this through on the LP-based guitar I built that is featured in 'The Vault' because it has two volume controls and a master tone control. My Hamer Studio Custom is the same. There is no other option with a V/V/Master Tone setup, the tone control is effectively wired across the output.
Yup, GuitarDoc and FF (posts #5 and 6) are correct. I had personal experience when thinking this through on the LP-based guitar I built that is featured in 'The Vault' because it has two volume controls and a master tone control. My Hamer Studio Custom is the same. There is no other option with a V/V/Master Tone setup, the tone control is effectively wired across the output.
Lewguitar
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
That was probably me who told you that if it was on the Gear Page.
Hamer guitars with two volume and one tone...Flying V guitars with two volume and one tone...Explorer guitars with two volume and one tone: all have 50's tone control wiring because there is no other way to wire them.
If you're going to have a master tone that affects both pickups it has to be wired after the two volume controls...and that is the definition of 50's tone control wiring: the tone control is connected AFTER the volume pot or at the output of the volume pot rather than BEFORE the volume or at the input of the volume pot.
That was probably me who told you that if it was on the Gear Page.
Hamer guitars with two volume and one tone...Flying V guitars with two volume and one tone...Explorer guitars with two volume and one tone: all have 50's tone control wiring because there is no other way to wire them.
If you're going to have a master tone that affects both pickups it has to be wired after the two volume controls...and that is the definition of 50's tone control wiring: the tone control is connected AFTER the volume pot or at the output of the volume pot rather than BEFORE the volume or at the input of the volume pot.
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eclecticsynergy
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
I'd like to keep the guitar looking original so I don't want to drill it out for another control.
But if the cavity is deep enough, I could do it using a double ganged pot, right?
I'd like to keep the guitar looking original so I don't want to drill it out for another control.
But if the cavity is deep enough, I could do it using a double ganged pot, right?
eclecticsynergy
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
Yah, had considered that. Would certainly be more useful functionally. But I want to preserve the original look. Need to make a decision about it.
If I used a ganged pot, I could choose two different caps at least; I'm thinking maybe a .001 to just take some brightness & sparkly highs off the bridge (which is fairly fat anyway), with a higher value for the neck pickup that would darken it down more conventionally. A .022 or perhaps even higher- I don't anticipate turning it down all the way, but it might be nice to have a pretty mellow option available from this axe once in a while.
Yah, had considered that. Would certainly be more useful functionally. But I want to preserve the original look. Need to make a decision about it.
If I used a ganged pot, I could choose two different caps at least; I'm thinking maybe a .001 to just take some brightness & sparkly highs off the bridge (which is fairly fat anyway), with a higher value for the neck pickup that would darken it down more conventionally. A .022 or perhaps even higher- I don't anticipate turning it down all the way, but it might be nice to have a pretty mellow option available from this axe once in a while.
Lewguitar
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Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
If it was my guitar I'd keep it simple.
One volume control and two tones...like a Strat.
Or two volume controls and one tone...like it is now.
I wouldn't do anything other than one of those two circuits.
If it was my guitar I'd keep it simple.
One volume control and two tones...like a Strat.
Or two volume controls and one tone...like it is now.
I wouldn't do anything other than one of those two circuits.
Re: 50s wiring neck PU/modern wiring bridge PU, on Explorer with just one tone contro
i have a hamer monaco elite with three controls. id prefer to have the four knob les paul layout but c'est la vie. i have two volumes and the tone just on the bridge pup. works well for me but my bridge pup is bright and my neck pup is fat
i have a hamer monaco elite with three controls. id prefer to have the four knob les paul layout but c'est la vie. i have two volumes and the tone just on the bridge pup. works well for me but my bridge pup is bright and my neck pup is fat
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