50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

I miss my old 900 (among many amps), but I was going to also throw out, if you are happy with the sound from your pedals and AMT preamp, have you considered an ISP Stealth power amp? 180W so it won't start giving up early like the EHX. IIRC, those EH amps are supposed to work more like a full amp, so they have some preamp stuff going on too, that might be where you are hitting the limit, not on the output part.
 
Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Thanks for the advice, again! Your suggestion about AMT preamps shaped my rig in the last 5-6 years or so :) Since that my spine conditions improved to the point of producing no symptoms and pain.

ISP Stealth seems to be a great suggestion, I'll be checking that in depth. I think it is a possible candidate power amp for a super-portable rig. I won't carry the JCM900 everywhere anyway, it is for one certain band.

You're right about the little EHX amp, it is designed to be a complete amp and not a single power amp. It is quite amazing for what it is. Despite that its Class-D 44watts sound to have a small power, it can be so loud that it causes sunburns. In a single-guitarist band it works great where its kind of balance and compression is welcome - but in a full-sized rock band where all the other amps are set to cut through, tone (and feel) just dissolves, regardless of volume. I have tried it as a single unit as well, without AMT pedals. It produced the same result in the band where I need extra juice. Strange thing is, other guys' amps are not cranked to the max at all.

The second issue with it was its 'interaction' with stage lights. Occassionally, during some bigger stage shows (and never during club gigs) where the whole damn Mikly Way itself is mounted and lit above your head, out of the blue my rig became extremely noisy and nothing could effectively tame that. It was like as if a GND LIFT switch gone wrong and the EHX started to produce ground loop noise then it just went off then came back, seemingly at random. It is quite unpleasant in the middle of a solo. I tried using a Furman conditioner that produces super stable power in my studio, different filtered AC power supplies, noise gates, triple checked all connections (even inside the pedals) and got the amp checked by a techie (unit: perfect), borrowed an another EHX power amp, tried 8 ohm load instead of 16 ohm load, tested the amp at home for a week continuously with some music (amp worked without any hiccup) and so on... Nothing helped, the same noisy dropouts happened onstage again and again. I guess it has something to do with the 2-pin power supply of this tiny amp and possibly unstable power. Maybe, under certain conditions it suffers from some momentary grounding issue - but of course I may be completely wrong about it. Fact is, this problem disappeared all the time when I plugged my AMT preamp into any backline amp head (effect return / power amp in) with a 3-pin power cable.

About AMT's I don't intend to send them into the box at all. They are still the heart of my micro 'mat' rig that I'll keep using during my club gigs that all my other projects play. Anyway, I may end up using an AMT P1 with the SL-X power amp, who knows? The best tone wins and during a reamp session they have already beaten the real thing once :)
 
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Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Glad you like the AMT stuff, especially since my reviews may have had something to do with it (doh, someone was actually listening???) :15:

I miss the old days of using amps, but I'm not playing out anymore other than occasionally at church, and lately I've just been plugging in to the power amp of a H&K TM 18 they have there. I still have my Stealth though and use it quite a bit at home, but it can get really loud too. It makes a nice portable power amp with big power.

Anyway, came across this video a while ago comparing the ISP to a 6505 power section, pretty impressive.

 
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I had a Blackstar HT club 40 combo 5 months ago,I was playing it at just maybe 1 on the volume,, and all of a sudden I heard a boom and the sound of glass breaking,the amp made a weird noise so I shut it off quickly.it blew one of the el-34's out of the tube socket,I have never seen or heard this before,and I have never heard it happening..but before the incident it sounded really good..as said above hard to get the info on them.

Yea they always sound awesome just before they died
My Laney did that
Plugged into a miswired 120 volt plug
It was wire with two hot legs and no neutral

Sounded awesome till it didn't
 
Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Glad you like the AMT stuff, especially since my reviews may have had something to do with it (doh, someone was actually listening???) :15:

I was, and following your advice helped me to build my super micro rig that was (actually, is) a great companion. The AMT M1 pedal you suggested was the best substitute for the amps that I was using at the time but could not lift due to heavy constant spine pain. It served me well during an ample of gigs. I'm still using it in bands where I'm the only guitarist.

That ISP vs 6505 demo is quite impressive!
 
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Plugged into a miswired 120 volt plug
It was wire with two hot legs and no neutral

Ouch...

At least the grounding did not happen through you as it happened to me in 2006 on a fest stage because of a faulty plug. The electric shock caused some nasty nerve troubles for months. Doc said that I'm lucky to be alive and not having permanent damage.
 
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I like 50 watt amps I previously owned a Laney AOR lead 50 pro and should have never sold it. I also had a Marshall SLX and ran the 2 amps through a couple of Peavey 5150 cabinets. Today I'm using a Fender Red Knob The Twin 212 with a matching Fender 412 cabinet, a Laney VC50 212 with a matching 412 cabinet and a Laney GH50L with matching 412 cabinet.
I really love Laney Amps
I'd go with the Ironheart, just to check it out. Some of the newer Laney's and Marshalls are using digital reverb. I can't go for that.
 
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Ouch...

At least the grounding did not happen through you as it happened to me in 2006 on a fest stage because of a faulty plug. The electric shock caused some nasty nerve troubles for months. Doc said that I'm lucky to be alive and not having permanent damage.

Ouch! Glad you have recovered. My worst experience with that kind of thing was when our Aviom monitor system was on a different ground than my guitar rig, everything was fine until I got some ear buds with some metal on the outside and was getting electrical tingling in my ears, fortunately it wasn't a hot wire or anything!
 
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The summer fest run for me will be over soon. This weekend I'll play the last show in this row then I'll have a break (well deserved, I hope).

The SL-X worked onstage perfectly like it always did, ages ago. It solved all my dynamics / power / punch / volume / comfort issues. Perhaps, none of the other options would have worked so well than buying back my old amp that proven itself hundreds of times. I am happy with it.



I also have huge respect for the micro gear that I used during the recent years. It sounds nice and balanced, really close to the real thing I think. In single-guitarist bands I still use it regularly.



Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions!
 
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Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Congrats about getting your old amp back. If I were in your same situation and still looking, I would have been looking at Ceriatone prebuilt/kit amps. Nik @ Ceriatone has quite a following and has quite an assortment of tube amp brands/models to choose from. Some people source their own upgraded or vintage components and either let Nik do the work or build the amps on their own with excellent direction from Nik.

Sounds like what you really needed for reduced weight and enough power would be something like a JTM45 or JTM50 of which Ceriatone carries.

http://www.ceriatone.com/productSubPages/BSJTM45/BSJTM45_Complete.htm
AND
http://www.ceriatone.com/productSubPages/BSJTM50/BSJTM50_Complete.htm
 
Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

I'd go for a 50W, 2-channel Marshall JVM or a 50W JCM800, 2204 model.

I have a 100W JVM210H and it's been one of the best heads I've ever had for giving up the goods at a decent price point. I wouldn't hesitate to go for a 50W model if I needed it.
 
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Jet City JCA50H is like $399 right now. It's driving me crazy because i just got an amp but a Soldano for that cheap is really tempting.
 
Re: 50W tube amp for touring - which one would you choose?

Jet City JCA50H is like $399 right now. It's driving me crazy because i just got an amp but a Soldano for that cheap is really tempting.

Oh man, I shouldn't have read that. I wonder how long they'll be that cheap.
 
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