59 vs PG vs AP2

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Thanks a lot guys!

I don't think that the AP2 to be a little too round in some guitars would be a problem. For me, as far as the neck pup goes (for my lead tone), the rounder the better. :)

But it seems everyone is saying the PG is the "safer" way?

Btw, I've heard nothing but praises for the antiquties and every single one i knew who's tried it says it's just the best. But it's too pricey for me and I want a black, open coil humbucker for that Epi LP (transluscent black, quilt top).


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a few years back, my rig was a gibson les paul classic premium plus with a set of pearly gates humbuckers through a marshall jtm60.
i totally love the pearly gates both in the neck and in the bridge.
a friend of mine had the exact same rig (he still does, i think) except he has the pearly gates in the bridge and and the alnico II pro in the neck. this is also a killer set-up. i think this set-up might work better for you since you want a rounder neck pickup sound. the pearly gates in the bridge is absolutely killer! played through the jtm60, it absolutely oozes billy gibbons and duane allman.
one drawback of the pearly gates in the neck position is that, at least through the jtm60, i found it really hard to get a good "soft" sound. i don't mean soft volume wise. what i mean is no matter how softly i pick the string, it still sounds aggressive. this made it hard for me to play santana stuff. it's hard to get a strong but mellow voice out of it. but for everything else, it was awesome.
the alnico II pro in the neck has a bit of a nasal character to it. some people don't like this at all but i personally love it. it can sound aggressive and it can sound mellow and sweet. way easier to get those santana lead tones here. of course, the jtm60 will never sound exactly like santana, but with the alnico II pro through it, you can get that strong but sweet and mellow character in your sound that santana was famous for.
it is also a lot easier to get dark jazz tones a la wes montgomery with the alnico II pros in the neck position than the pearly gates.
so with the pgb and the a2pn, you'll have a very versatile setup. one that can cover all the classic les paul sounds from aggressive leads to mellow jazz.
one thing i like about both pickups is that they have alnico II magnets. this will allow you to set the pickups as close to the strings as you desire without suffering from a loss of sustain typical of stronger magnets. setting your pickups as close to the strings as possible without them touching the strings will allow your right hand to be more expressive coz the pickups will be more sensitive to your picking. but this is only obvious if your default volume on your guitar is not 10. try playing with your guitar volume between 5 to 7. get the necessary volume you want from your amp. this technique is very good for blues. but not a lot of people like doing this. in fact, i know of only 2 people who like doing this: myself and the guy who taught it to me.
i have absolutely no experience with the 59's in les pauls so i can't really comment on them. they sound pretty good in strats, though.
i have tried antiquities on my les paul. those are killer. very smooth. they remind me of clapton's sound from live cream.
but the antiquities are too pricey. besides, you can get a pretty convincing clapton sound from the jtm60 with a les paul. it's just the way the amp is voiced. i think of it as a bluesbreaker with more gain. of course, this is just my opinion, based on the sound that i got from my guitar and amp. and since no 2 guitars and no 2 amps sound exactly alike, my post could be totally useless to you. but i sure hope that it's not.
 
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"one drawback of the pearly gates in the neck position is that, at least through the jtm60, i found it really hard to get a good "soft" sound. i don't mean soft volume wise. what i mean is no matter how softly i pick the string, it still sounds aggressive. this made it hard for me to play santana stuff. it's hard to get a strong but mellow voice out of it. but for everything else, it was awesome."


Yep.....It was the mid spike and that "aggression" that I guess didn't do it for me? In my case going back to the 59N made me realize that it was probably the right pickup from the get go in my case...It's almost like the 59's eq is more even,where's the PG has that midrange that I found was a bit too overbearing...If the PGN had less mids and a bit less lows,it would have been perfect for me...The 59 has a tiny bit less highs,less mids,and the lows are pretty close to the PGN....I Like the eq on the 59 alot better though...
 
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The fact that a PG is so damn aggressive is one of the things that I like about it! I love that is has a bite to it, and at times an almost single coil like sting, but under that it sounds like the best of the best PAF's!
 
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the guy who invented fire said:
The fact that a PG is so damn aggressive is one of the things that I like about it! I love that is has a bite to it, and at times an almost single coil like sting, but under that it sounds like the best of the best PAF's!

I didn't feel like the PGN had any kind of single coil tone to it? IT was very up front in the mids and lows,especially the mids,plus is created alot of unwanted overdrive when you played hard on the strings with clean tones..

I just felt that the EQ was wrong for my tastes? :smack:
 
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STRATDELUXER97 said:
I didn't feel like the PGN had any kind of single coil tone to it? IT was very up front in the mids and lows,especially the mids,plus is created alot of unwanted overdrive when you played hard on the strings with clean tones..

I just felt that the EQ was wrong for my tastes? :smack:


Not a single coil like tone, but a single coil like bite to the notes...the PG's have a sharp attack...like a single coil. I don't think they have any single coil like tone at all
 
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the guy who invented fire said:
Not a single coil like tone, but a single coil like bite to the notes...the PG's have a sharp attack...like a single coil. I don't think they have any single coil like tone at all

Oh ok! Sorry.... :smack:

Yes...The bite is in the mids though and not in the toppy eq like a single coil..
I can do without "aggression" at this point in my life...LOL...The 59 has a flatter EQ that I Like I guess...It's a bit boomy,but it's also rounder and I Like what the A5 magnet does for the neck position as a rule...My SG has a 59 in the neck also and I'm not wanting to change that one out? I needed to try the PGN and it's just not my cup o tea and that's cool..... :cool3: :)
 
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i never tried a custom through the jtm60. but i did try a custom custom and it sounds killer. the custom custom was in the bridge position of a fender hm strat with a floyd rose, basswood body, bolt on maple neck, and a rosewood fingerboard. since it was a different guitar from the les paul, i used different amp settings for it. more high gain. it gave me a sound that reminded me of jake e. lee's sound from the song bark at the moon.
i have tried an alnico II pro humbucker in the neck position of a les paul through the jtm60. not my les paul but my friend's. it sounded really good.
if i had to describe the sound of the alnico II pro using just 1 word, that word would be "sweet." ...but don't let its sweetness fool you. this pickup overdrives really well. if you put in enough mids in your amp setting, you can simulate a pearly gates. i believe that's it's easier to add agggression to a sweet pickup than to make an aggressive pickup sound sweet. if your bridge pickup is aggressive enough, then you might want a sweeter neck pickup.
let me put it this way: the pg is like a whore. you know what it's supposed to do and it does what it's supposed to. the ap2 is like that sweet, innocent lookin' girl next door that has a wild side.
 
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fretburner said:
I'm not sure if my Epi has an Alder or Mahogany body.

Actually if its a newer,around 2000, black Epi Les Paul Standard, its both. Mahogany body and an alder top. If its any other finish its mahogany with a maple top.

If its one from the last year or so it,according to my latest Musicians Friend, has a mahogany and alder body with a maple top.

Hope this helps.
 
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Antihero said:
Actually if its a newer,around 2000, black Epi Les Paul Standard, its both. Mahogany body and an alder top. If its any other finish its mahogany with a maple top.

If its one from the last year or so it,according to my latest Musicians Friend, has a mahogany and alder body with a maple top.

Hope this helps.


It's a 2001 Epi LP standard Limited Edition Transluscent Black Quilt Top. Does that mean it has an alder top rather than maple? Or should it have a Mahogany and Maple top being a limited ed? Craftsmanship is way better than the "ordinary" Korean Epi (though it's still made in Korea).
 
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I believe that Alder was just used in the solid colors,which i believe was only black.

You probably have a maple top,but you might want to go to the Epiphone forum to find out for sure,or write Epiphone an email. Ill try to find a link for you.
 
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for your guitar i go with AP2. My friends got it in his Epi LP and it has a really nice roundness to it.
 
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bbking1021 said:
for your guitar i go with AP2. My friends got it in his Epi LP and it has a really nice roundness to it.


I just came across an ad with someone selling his AP2 pup. It's a bridge pup though. If i put it in the neck position, how would it sound?

I'm fixed on putting a Custom for the bridge position on that Epi.
 
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I think youl get a better tone with a 59. A A5 alnico compaired to a A2 is alot different in tone, to me its warmer.
 
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Hhhmmm... seems like everybody else thinks the AP2 is warmer. Can you be more descriptive on that?
 
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fretburner said:
Hhhmmm... seems like everybody else thinks the AP2 is warmer. Can you be more descriptive on that?

It is...the A2P is THE neck pickup for a round tone you're looking for.

I have a '92 Classic Reissue and that guitar is bright!!!! The A2P in the neck really smooths the sound up. I also went for the A2P in the bridge position and that pickup also rocks!!! Don't be fooled by people saying that it isn't agressive enough.

Do you think Slash would play a set of A2Ps if they didn't sound great?
 
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Slash has probably the best tone. And he is the reason why I fell in love with the LP.

I love to Blues Saraceno's tone too. But I'm getting a Custom for the bridge position coz I don't usually solo using the bridge pup.

The thing is, this guy is selling me an AP2 bridge pup. I wonder how it will sound if I put it in the neck position?
 
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