59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

[ryo]

Hello everyone.
I am thinking of getting new neck pick up for my Orville les paul.
the guitar has APH-1b in the bridge.

I like the tone of Slash, so I was thinking of getting APH-1n for my new neck pick up.

But, recently I came to know that the les paul which slash has been using for long long time has 59 in the neck!
I am talking about his les paul standard which has 3 piece maple cap on.
I like the sound comes out from that les paul.
but my favorite slash's les paul is that gold top standard.

I know both pick ups are well known as good neck pick up,
but how do you guys describe thier sounds? or differences between thier sounds?

Thank you.

 

[BRHGM]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

The 59n has more treble and more bass. It's an alnico 5 pickup. The APHn is more buttery, less bass, rounded treble and more mids. It's an alnico 2 pickup. I think that a 59n and APHb combo will work out great for classic rock, jazz and even metal. The sweet and smooth lead with bright and spicy rhythm sound like Slash to me. Combine that with the Mashall Jubilee amp and your cool. I caught GNR in New Orleans during the '92 tour.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

I agree with the above descriptions. Depending on yout guitar, the 59 can be muddy because of all the bass, but so could the APH if your guitar has a a lot of low mids. I was surprised how clear the APH sounded in my guitar, it was a very sweet neck pickup. If you are into hard rock and metal, the 59 is crisper, but if you are into bluesy rock, classic rock and stuff up to GnR, the APH is a better choice I think.

My combo now is Custom/59, but I'd like another LP type guitar to put a set of APH's in, they are that nice.

 

[Mr. B]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

I had the same dilema a couple of years ago. There is only one solution, and I think everyone will agree. You need one guitar set up with 59's and one with A2pros (mine are actually Seth Lovers).


Seriously though, I think if I were mixing them, I would go with a2 in the neck and a5 in the bridge, not the other way around. However, if slash is doing it the other way, I'm sure he has put a few more hours in the tone search department than I have.

 

[Simon_F]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

The 59n has more treble and more bass. It's an alnico 5 pickup. The APHn is more buttery, less bass, rounded treble and more mids.

I agree with this comparison.

I love the top end of the '59n, but find its strong bass a little overpowering in a Les Paul. I recently tried a Jazz n for the first time, and I'm liking it a lot - bright clear top end, but much better bass/mid balance. Another contender would be the PGn, which is not dissimilar to the APH-1n, but with a brighter top end.....

APH-1n - classic smooth Slash neck tone
PGn - more top-end sizzle but retains those warm a2 mids
'59n - bright glassy top end, powerful bass!
Jazz n - bright clear top end, a little less bass than the '59.

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Seriously though, I think if I were mixing them, I would go with a2 in the neck and a5 in the bridge, not the other way around. However, if slash is doing it the other way, I'm sure he has put a few more hours in the tone search department than I have.

Darn straight. A2 neck A5 bridge is the way to go.

And Slash has always used A2 in both positions. He plays blues rock, so that's why.

 

[Simon_F]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Darn straight. A2 neck A5 bridge is the way to go.

Both A2n/A5b and A5n/A2b can work depending on your tastes, what you're trying to achieve and the other qualities of the pickups in question. Generally though, the advantage of A5 in the neck position of a Les Paul is the bright top end. The advantage of A2 in the neck position of a Les Paul is the softer bass and warmer mids.

Having only recently got around to the Jazz N, I think I now see why it is the SH-2 (i.e. one of Seymour's earliest models). In my LP it's giving me all the top end clarity I want without the boomy bottom. I'm guessing that's what Mr Duncan wanted to achieve.

The worst matched pair of pups I've ever played were the 490R (A2 neck) and 498T (A5 bridge) that came stock in my 96 LP Standard. It was impossible to EQ that guitar to get both pickups sounding good!

A4 in both positions is nice too :naughty:

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Well actually I have A5n A2b at the moment (59b in the neck, PGb in the bridge). So I shouldn't have said that.

But generally speaking (very generally) you want your warm, clean, tones in the neck (A2) and your harder/brighter tones in the bridge (A5). That's such a rough statement that it almost shouldn't be said, but it's sorta true.

But the PG is plenty bright for me, and the 59 is plenty warm. So who knows. Whatever sounds good I guess.

 

[theodie]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Darn straight. A2 neck A5 bridge is the way to go.

Its the ONLY way to go from Odie in most cases. The only exception is the Jazz neck, the Jazz Bridge in the neck, and the PATB-1N. The Custom once in a while in the bridge is good too. Otherwise, it is ALWAYS A5 in the bridge and A2 in the neck.

 

[ryo]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Thank you so much every one!

sounds like I might want APH-1n.

APH-1 in both bridge and neck can be a one of perfect sets huh?
coz both of them have the same name!!

59b and APH-1n seems very nice, APH-1b and 59n seems OK too,
but maybe, a set of 59s or APHs can be a bit more balanced?

 

[fretburner]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

How are the mids of the Jazz Neck compared to the APH1?

 

[BigAlTheBird]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Much more scooped, but not in a bad way. Just, different.

But definitely more scooped, as opposed to the A2P's dominant mids.

 

[MVI]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

I'm really into the Alnico II magnets. Mostly, I'm going towards blues and classic rock, so this really works well with my personal style, as well as musical tastes. My belief, is that as you experiment a little - if you have the patience, and a few dollars - you will drift towards some sounds that you like, that may have some roots based with your fave artist, but end up being yours. In the end, you're not Slash, you don't have his level of gear ( including amps, mixers, studio stuff etc. ), and anyway - hey, he's already done that thing. Why not take it your own way ? His tone might be an interesting starting point, but the purpose of it all is to put your own little signature on the world. Right ??

 

[fretburner]

Re: 59n and APH-1n, what are some differrences?

Much more scooped, but not in a bad way. Just, different.

But definitely more scooped, as opposed to the A2P's dominant mids.

i'd probably not like the jazz neck then... thanks! I love the A2P's mids... and I have a PGn on the way