6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

[BloodRose]

Ive been looking for a new pickup for my Charvel. Because of names and descriptions, (and the focus on 7 and 8 strings) I hadnt given much thought to these pickups. (i dont play low tunings or black metal) More like 80s type stuff.. However, been hearing great things about them. The BW especially. But someone also recommended the pegasus to me.. What is the difference between them sonically? From what Ive found via searching, looks like the pegasus has more lows and not quite as aggressive? (im replacing a DD.) Also how is the BW neck? Most of the info I found seems to be regarding the bridge. I have a Jazz in the neck now. There going to be a huge balance issue ?

Thanks!

 

[JOLLY]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

From the "metal" sound samples on the Duncan site, I prefer the Pegasus. I should have a Pegasus/Sentient (thanks, Nostalgic Distortion) combo arriving within the next couple of days. I'm going to put them in my Slime Green Charvel San Dimas.

 

[koshikas]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

if you are replacing DD, i think you will be more pleased with the BW. Pegasus definitely has lower output than the DD and BW, and unless you are specifically going for lesser output for the sake of clarity and dynamic range i would not recommend pegasus

 

[Mincer]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

I wouldn't worry about a balance issue with either- after all, the Jazz and JB are different outputs too, which blend well. Both the Pegasus and Black Winters are great pickups, and both sound good clean or with gain. The Pegasus has more lows and mids and is further away tonally from the DD. Is there something you don't like about the DD?

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

From the "metal" sound samples on the Duncan site, I prefer the Pegasus. I should have a Pegasus/Sentient (thanks, Nostalgic Distortion) combo arriving within the next couple of days. I'm going to put them in my Slime Green Charvel San Dimas.

Excellent! cuz of course, Im looking for pickups for a Charvel, so this will be a good reference..

I wouldn't worry about a balance issue with either- after all, the Jazz and JB are different outputs too, which blend well. Both the Pegasus and Black Winters are great pickups, and both sound good clean or with gain. The Pegasus has more lows and mids and is further away tonally from the DD. Is there something you don't like about the DD?

More or less, Im just not feeling it. Im getting an unpleasant bit of high end and loss of clarity. I could probably make things work better if this guitar wasnt direct mount. If I had some room to adjust, it may be better. Plus, I had to mod the pickup to get it under the strings anyhow. Had to remove a spacer, turn the other on its side and use a thinner magnet.. So, Im definately not anti Distortion, just not for this guitar..

My other Charvel has a Hybrid in it and I LOVE it!! So I was kinda wanting to go with something more aggressive in this one.

 

[Nostalgic Distortion]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

The Pegasus blows Black Winters out of the water! Stays super transparent under tremendous amounts of gain but it's still very melodic and focused. The fact that it's not a super hot pup is nice too, it's actually a moderate output pup that behaves like a high output pickup when you need it to but it will behave like a moderate output pickup just as well! They can cover a lot of ground for a bridge pup and so you can go from playing Bluesy stuff to straight up Thrash Metal just by turning up the gain a little. The Black Winters are very cool puppies but the Pegasus is better on almost every level I.M.H.O.!!!

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

The Pegasus blows Black Winters out of the water! Stays super transparent under tremendous amounts of gain but it's still very melodic and focused. The fact that it's not a super hot pup is nice too, it's actually a moderate output pup that behaves like a high output pickup when you need it to but it will behave like a moderate output pickup just as well! They can cover a lot of ground for a bridge pup and so you can go from playing Bluesy stuff to straight up Thrash Metal just by turning up the gain a little. The Black Winters are very cool puppies but the Pegasus is better on almost every level I.M.H.O.!!!

Have you played them both? Better yet, have to tried them both in the same guitar?? How do the differ? LOL,,, seems the closer I get to making a decision, another curve ball gets thrown... And to think... Once I figure out the bridge pup, I have to decide on a neck pup.. I had come close to deciding on a BW set.. Now Im thinking Pegasus/Sentient...

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

Have you played them both? Better yet, have to tried them both in the same guitar?? How do the differ? LOL,,, seems the closer I get to making a decision, another curve ball gets thrown... And to think... Once I figure out the bridge pup, I have to decide on a neck pup.. I had come close to deciding on a BW set.. Now Im thinking Pegasus/Sentient...

I love the black winter, which is a high output pickup that behaves like a moderate output pickup. I cannot imagine a pickup that blows it out of the water as it is a top notch pickup. I liked it better than most of the BKP line. I can see a pickup that might fit a guitar or player better. I haven't played a pegasus at all. At some point I will own one I am sure. I will say that I find the black winter set to be simply the best. Honestly, do you lean more towards the prog or thrash side of things?

 

[Dahla]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

Have you played them both? Better yet, have to tried them both in the same guitar?? How do the differ? LOL,,, seems the closer I get to making a decision, another curve ball gets thrown... And to think... Once I figure out the bridge pup, I have to decide on a neck pup.. I had come close to deciding on a BW set.. Now Im thinking Pegasus/Sentient...

I'm thinking you should try the BW set. And better still, use it with a 300k volume pot. You'll soon forget the notion of wanting to try something else.


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[Gibson 1964]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

I'm thinking you should try the BW set. And better still, use it with a 300k volume pot. You'll soon forget the notion of wanting to try something else.


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I prefer a 500k. And I use my tone knob when I want a slightly darker tone. I have tried them with a 1meg set of pots. That I would recommend only in a very dark guitar.

 

[koshikas]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

no need to flame me, i own a Pegasus and i love it, but i would never say it would blow DD or BW in terms of output. I've never played BW. and i love output

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[Nostalgic Distortion]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

Have you played them both? Better yet, have to tried them both in the same guitar?? How do the differ? LOL,,, seems the closer I get to making a decision, another curve ball gets thrown... And to think... Once I figure out the bridge pup, I have to decide on a neck pup.. I had come close to deciding on a BW set.. Now Im thinking Pegasus/Sentient...

Sorry it took so long to reply... Yes, I've tried them both & I've tried them both in the same guitar. As a matter of fact I've tried them both in 3 or 4 different guitars, trying to figure out what sounded best where. I had Black Winters in my Mahogany A.S.A.T. for about a year & a half then I got my first Peg/Sent set! I was completely blown away by how great they sounded I ended up buying two more Peg/Sent sets & 2 extra single Pegasus!

The Black Winters also floated around in a couple guitars before I just got rid of them, personally I found the Winters bland after trying out the Pegasus/Sent I've sold one set & one single but not because I didn't like them or the way they sounded but just because I wanted to try something different? I still currently have two guitars loaded with sets & another single Pegasus Strat., they basically rendered the Winters useless to me? My comment about the Pegasus blowing the B.W's out of the water is only my opinion, I also hate JB's unless they're in other people's guitars? In the end it's all a matter of preference, you like what you like...

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

I love the black winter, which is a high output pickup that behaves like a moderate output pickup. I cannot imagine a pickup that blows it out of the water as it is a top notch pickup. I liked it better than most of the BKP line. I can see a pickup that might fit a guitar or player better. I haven't played a pegasus at all. At some point I will own one I am sure. I will say that I find the black winter set to be simply the best. Honestly, do you lean more towards the prog or thrash side of things?

Well, I lean mostly toward 80s metal/blues rock. But as far as the two choices you mentioned, def thrash. Master of puppets is prolly my all time fav song.. Can I play it? no... But one day I will... one day......

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

Sorry it took so long to reply... Yes, I've tried them both & I've tried them both in the same guitar. As a matter of fact I've tried them both in 3 or 4 different guitars, trying to figure out what sounded best where. I had Black Winters in my Mahogany A.S.A.T. for about a year & a half then I got my first Peg/Sent set! I was completely blown away by how great they sounded I ended up buying two more Peg/Sent sets & 2 extra single Pegasus!

The Black Winters also floated around in a couple guitars before I just got rid of them, personally I found the Winters bland after trying out the Pegasus/Sent I've sold one set & one single but not because I didn't like them or the way they sounded but just because I wanted to try something different? I still currently have two guitars loaded with sets & another single Pegasus Strat., they basically rendered the Winters useless to me? My comment about the Pegasus blowing the B.W's out of the water is only my opinion, I also hate JB's unless they're in other people's guitars? In the end it's all a matter of preference, you like what you like...

Thanks for the reply! Yeah, I absolutely understand it's a matter of preference.. But its worth asking to help determine where to start. You told me you tried em both in same guitars and which you ultimately like better, but could you tell me what differences you noticed? more mids with the Pegasus? or? Financially, I pretty much have one shot to get it right. Im very intrigued with both right now.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

Jeez this is difficult... Im sure curious about the Black winter neck.. But I like both the Jazz and 59 (but dislike tiny things about each) so it sounds like the Sentient neck may be the way to go. So, Im thinking about a Sentient neck and BW bridge.. Tomm Ill prolly be back to the pegasus bridge... haha

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

So, I can hopefully put this decision to rest, pls help with just a couple more things.. Anyone play the Sentient and black winter bridge combo? Im just trying to figure if I should do the Sentient/n ,Black Winter/b combo or just the Black Winter set? Description of the Sentient neck sound ideal, but not having heard a BW neck, it's hard to choose or rule it out. thanks. The Pegasus still sounds VERY try worthy, but based on the feedback Ive read, I think the BW is more what Im looking for in this application.. Just gotta decide on the neck. Thanks!!

 

[Mincer]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

i think you'd be happy with either, actually. The Black Winter has a lot more mids, while the Sentient is a lot more open, with a scoopy tone. Do you like the hi-fi sounding cleans? Go with the Sentient. Do you like cleans more jazzy and full of body? The Black Winters. With distortion, the Sentient will have more 'chug' but you'd probably use the bridge pickup for that anyway. The Winters will sound more doomy with all of the mids.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

That helps alot Bro! Thanks! Im not big on Hi fi sound.. I like warm and singing.. My go-to neck pup was always a Duncan 59bridge model. I loved that because of the way it sings.. Lately Ive been using more Jazz models in the neck. I love the Jazz too, but its almost too sterile. Thats why I was so attracted to the Sentient because it was being described as a mix of the 59 and Jazz and some gone as far as to say its one of Duncan's best ever.. So thats why this has been such a hard call.. But from what you are saying the BW will be more fluid.. thats what I want..

 

[chris effect]

Re: 6 STRING PEGASUS VS BLACK WINTER? BW neck?

I own a 7 string(single cut Ibanez) w/ the nazgul/sentient set & a 6 string(gibson SG standard) w/ the black winter set. I don't want to make things any more difficult for you,

but IMO, on clean & light gain settings the black winter neck is more hi-fi sounding than the sentient. It's super LOUD, clear & present with a rather flat EQ. I agree with Mincer's description of both pickups EQ, but in my mind though the sentient is the more fluid pup & really does show the best characteristics of the jazz & 59'. Under heavy gain, I agree the BWN is doomy and a little fuzzy, and doesn't have the openness that the sentient does.

then again, this is 2 different guitars and ones a6 string and ones a 7, so take that into consideration.

I think the Pegasus & Sentient set would suit you better for styles you mentioned. Just my .02