90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

  • Greco

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Epiphone

    Votes: 5 62.5%

  • Total voters
    8

che_guitarra

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I'm talking Les Paul clones here in the $700 - $800 range.

Greco's are a known quantity for me, having owned a few in the past, but their price has drifted up so much over the years I can only afford their '90s offerings now.

I've owned a couple of Epiphones too, but never an MIJ variety with the proper looking Gibson headstock.


Quite a few of each on Ebay... one of them has my name on it.

In which direction would you err?
 
Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

I'm talking Les Paul clones here in the $700 - $800 range.

Greco's are a known quantity for me, having owned a few in the past, but their price has drifted up so much over the years I can only afford their '90s offerings now.

I've owned a couple of Epiphones too, but never an MIJ variety with the proper looking Gibson headstock.


Quite a few of each on Ebay... one of them has my name on it.

In which direction would you err?

There are folks in China who will literally put your name on it

 
Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

Being a 90s guitar, I would be cautious of which guitar will require the most maintenance in the upcoming future, e.g. fret life. * I would go for the one thats in better overall condition. Also, for your budget, you can consider Orville as another option. Essentially Japanese Gibsons. There are a couple of Ebay that have honest play wear for about $700-800.

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As far as I know Orvilles and MIJ Epis (of that late 90s era) are the same thing, just different logos. Not sure if that only applies to Les Paul style guitars or beyond.

Moot point anyway - I bought an Epiphone LPC - the best condition LPC I could find without being too much of a heavyweight, and the seller has a perfect seller rating.



Something I noticed about the LPC style Grecos I see listed on Ebay (located in Japan) - the same guitar photos are used in multiple ads, with multiple different prices, in multiple different cities, from multiple different sellers... might be totally legit reason why, but seems a bit fishy to me.
 
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As far as I know Orvilles and MIJ Epis (of that late 90s era) are the same thing, just different logos. Not sure if that only applies to Les Paul style guitars or beyond.

AFAIK they are the same, and that applies to pretty much the entire line, not just LPs.
 
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Not sure about Grecos, other than that I've played a few and thought they were nice. What I can say for sure is that my '02 MIJ Epi '61-reissue SG was one of the finest built "Gibsons" I've ever handled. It was built better than a Gibson in terms of raw craftsmanship – build quality and attention to detail. The finish was flawless. The frets were flawless. The fit and finish were perfect. It looked like it had been built by highly sophisticated robots, not human beings – and I mean that in the best possible sense. It's weak point was the electronics, but that's all. I sold it during a purge when I was eliminating redundancy (I have a '68 Standard). But I refused to sell it without "keeping it in the family," so I sold it to my bandmate. I bought the thing for $400 on E-Bay, two years old, in perfect condition, already imported to the U.S.A. Ridiculous price in the best way!

If you like lacquer instead of poly, some older iterations of the same basic guitar line used it. Orville or Orville by Gibson. I forgot which had which specs, so I'd look it up online.

Also keep in mind that, physically speaking, Epiphone Elitists were 99 percent the same guitars as JDM Epis, so are just as good. The only difference was a different headstock (non open book – just an ugly hump). However, they had much better electronics than the JDM Epis, and are usually found for sale in the U.S.A., so shipping costs less. It's a compromise either way. With JDM, you usually pay a premium for the guitar, plus expensive shipping from Japan, and you probably benefit greatly by gutting the entire electronics system and installing a new one...but you get the gorgeous headstock. With Elitists, you usually find them within North America, so you pay less for shipping, and the electronics are good enough to keep stock...but you get the ugly headstock.
 
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I wonder if any of those Japanese replicas (Greco, Tokai, Edward) are 'Gibson correct', for a lack of better term...the measurement, shape, scale, etc.
 
Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

I wonder if any of those Japanese replicas (Greco, Tokai, Edward) are 'Gibson correct', for a lack of better term...the measurement, shape, scale, etc.

One of the dedicated Les Paul forums would almost certainly have that info in their vast thread archives.
 
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I wonder if any of those Japanese replicas (Greco, Tokai, Edward) are 'Gibson correct', for a lack of better term...the measurement, shape, scale, etc.

My 77 Aria Pro II LPC does...everything about the measurements and woods is the same as a 74 Gibson LPC, plus it has the long neck tenon that Gibson was using consistently up until the mid 70's. It's only 9 lbs to boot.
 
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I own a 2006 Epiphone Les Paul Standard in black that plays pretty awesome after a good setup. I bought it at a local pawn shop for $500 used that came with an SKB hard-shell case which I thought was a good deal.



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Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

I own a 2006 Epiphone Les Paul Standard in black that plays pretty awesome after a good setup. I bought it at a local pawn shop for $500 used that came with an SKB hard-shell case which I thought was a good deal.



;>)/

MIJ?
 
Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

Well, I think I made the right choice. $700, and the fastest guitar shipping to Australia i've ever encountered. Having owned a few Grecos (and Gibsons for that matter), I can say with great confidence this is the highest quality Les Paul i've ever owned. The craftsmanship is impeccable, flawless. It's light for an LP, yet the acoustic projection is LOUD! Very comfortable neck shape that feels true to a 1959.

Best news is I bonded with it instantly... phew... unplayed LPs have always been a gamble in my experience.

Currently has some hot Dimarzios installed which sound pretty damn fine. But after a drunken Ebay excursion last Saturday night I also bought an EMG 57/66 set, so they'll be going in once they arrive on my doorstep.


Very happy.



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Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

Wow, I have never seen an Epiphone like that. Congratulations! Looks amazing.
What colour EMG's did you go for?
 
Re: 90s Greco vs MIJ Epiphone.. what has your vote?

I wonder if any of those Japanese replicas (Greco, Tokai, Edward) are 'Gibson correct', for a lack of better term...the measurement, shape, scale, etc.

Gibson still can't build a 100% correct copy of a 1959 Les Paul. Some details are always off just a bit. It can come down to logo placement, truss rod cover shape and placement, neck carve, lower horn shape, control knob placement, body carve, neck angle, space between fretboard and neck pickup, glue... not to mention the plasticizers in the nitro that keep the guitars from aging the same.

I think the quality of some of the Japanese built LP copies is superb, especially in the 80's and early 90's where I believe many of the "copies" were built better than what Gibson was producing at the time.... before they created the custom shop and got serious about building historically accurate (at least close) LP's again.

However, I think Gibson builds better guitars today than in the 50's. The materials used then were sourced for cost effectiveness and all work was done by hand. Some guitars were great, some were terrible. Today with the attention to all the little details and choice materials, the quality is outstanding.... especially in the Historic series, but in regular production too.
 
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Wow, I have never seen an Epiphone like that. Congratulations! Looks amazing.
What colour EMG's did you go for?

Brushed gold.

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I do think they look better than what I had, but if i'm going to be honest i'm not convinced they're a sonic improvement from what I had.

The passive Dimarzios (Super Distortion bridge, PAF Pro neck) were vibey, loose, organic - in all the right ways. With the EMGs, the middle position is less ker-plunky, they have a noticeable kick in the presence EQ spectrum, and the bottom end is razor-blade tight. Perfect for some playing styles, not for others. Not that the EMGs are bad though - the clarity is amazing, brilliant note seperation, and note/EQ response up and down the fretboard is super uniform.

To put it more guitarist terms - the Dimarzios nailed the Appetite For Destruction tone straight out of the bag, but when I shot a few Master Of Puppets riffs down the fretboard it wasn't quite hitting it on the head. With EMGs installed, i'm now nailing the Master of Puppets tone, but now I can't quite hit the Appetite For Destruction tone on the head.


Can't win. More guitars needed.
 
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