A2 in a 59--does it exist?

I'm not brave enough to do my own mag swaps.

I had the same fear, but once you decide it's worth a try, it's really not intimidating at all. The whole process pillar to post is usually only about twenty minutes. The most time-intensive part is removing the pickup from the guitar, and it requires no soldering whatsoever (assuming it's uncovered).
 
For me, it would actually be the 59N which could benefit from the A2 swap. It would get rid of of the low-end boominess, replacing it with a soft and growly low-mid texture, and it would get rid of the extreme chirpiness to the attack.

I personally like my '59B as it is, but I do like my bridge pickups bright, brash, and bold and my neck pickups smooth and fat.

For me, the PAF-type combos that I feel work the best are usually A5 bridge for the added strenght, output, bold low-end, and added snarl, and A2 for the smoothness, squishiness, and softer feel.
 
I have wanted to swap the A5 in my 59N for sometime, I have the A2 mag at home, maybe next string change Ill give it a try.
 
If we’re talking standard 59’s, I think I would like Neck A2 and Bridge UA05. I do have a Custom Shop 59’ wound by Seymour. No clue how old it is or what the specs are….or even what the magnet is, but at least it’s double cream!! The tag just says “Custom Shop 59” and Seymour’s sig in sharpie. Not even a serial number.

One thing I do know is it’s the best sounding 59’ neck I have ever heard…..and I’m a die hard A2 guy in the neck. I only played APH II’s for years in the neck of my guitars. I should pull the mag in my 59’ to see if it has any markings other than black sharpie on the north edge. I doubt it, but you never know.
 
I had the same fear, but once you decide it's worth a try, it's really not intimidating at all. The whole process pillar to post is usually only about twenty minutes. The most time-intensive part is removing the pickup from the guitar, and it requires no soldering whatsoever (assuming it's uncovered).


Its not the process that's the issue here. I've seen far too many people online swap magnets only to ruin their pickup. Every time it happened, the pickup would have untamable feedback and would pretty much be unusable once reassembled. I'm not in the business of throwing away pickups that were perfectly fine 10 minutes prior. So I'm still in possession of a set of A2 magnets I bought because I don't want to possibly ruin my pickups.

The issue is that not one of those people were able to identify anything they did wrong that caused it. So I'm not brave enough to take that sort of chance.
 
^ No way to work around that. :P

Practice on pos pickups! Buy every alnico, A2, A3, A4, A5, UOA5, A6, A8, A9. Set up a guitar with pos pickups. Swap em in the pos pickups to practice and as a bonus learn the sound of all the mags. If you f up, you f up expendable pickups.
 
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Its not the process that's the issue here. I've seen far too many people online swap magnets only to ruin their pickup. Every time it happened, the pickup would have untamable feedback and would pretty much be unusable once reassembled. I'm not in the business of throwing away pickups that were perfectly fine 10 minutes prior. So I'm still in possession of a set of A2 magnets I bought because I don't want to possibly ruin my pickups.

The issue is that not one of those people were able to identify anything they did wrong that caused it. So I'm not brave enough to take that sort of chance.

What would cause 'wildly untamable feedback'?
 
I don't think disassembling and reasembling a pickup is likely to mess up a pickup unless you go all troglodite on it and tear wire, overtighten screws to the point where you warp the bobbins so bad that you break them, or just plain put everything something back so carelessly together that you break someting... honestly, that's the only way I can think you can mess up a pickup so bad that it permanently breaks it. And that's hard. You have to be REALLY careless and really strong to do that.

If your pickup starts becomig microphonic from swapping the magnet, you can just repot it. I once took a JB to my tech to have a cover installed on it, and he charged me like 6 dollars to install the cover and repot it so that it didn't feedback. He did a flawless job becuase, as far as I understand, its not a hard job to do.
 
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Its not the process that's the issue here. I've seen far too many people online swap magnets only to ruin their pickup.

you just need a screwdriver and a hairdryer, it's not that rocket science, here a lot of people made it without any problem, statistically this proves it's worth a try
 
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^ No way to work around that. :P

Practice on pos pickups! Buy every alnico, A2, A3, A4, A5, UOA5, A6, A8, A9. Set up a guitar with pos pickups. Swap em in the pos pickups to practice and as a bonus learn the sound of all the mags. If you f up, you f up expendable pickups.

But if I put something good into a pos pickup, won't that color the results? Maybe it will be the pos pickup's fault? I won't know I'll like it until I try with a non-pos pickup.

For me I think mag swaps are like rebiasing a tube amp hot. Something I best leave to someone else.

Anyway, the point of my OP is it seems to me a 59 would be better suited with an A2 for a vintage sound, but I'm sure there's more that goes into it than the magnet type.

Also given today's product catalog might an A2 59 be close to a 4 conductor Seth Lover?
 
But if I put something good into a pos pickup, won't that color the results? Maybe it will be the pos pickup's fault? I won't know I'll like it until I try with a non-pos pickup.

For me I think mag swaps are like rebiasing a tube amp hot. Something I best leave to someone else.

Anyway, the point of my OP is it seems to me a 59 would be better suited with an A2 for a vintage sound, but I'm sure there's more that goes into it than the magnet type.

Also given today's product catalog might an A2 59 be close to a 4 conductor Seth Lover?

First, play the pos pickup, so you know what it sounds like, then swap mags and notice what changes. That tells you a bit about what a different flavor of mag can do.

Did you read the page Tone Fiddler posted? The 59s were reportedly based on Jeff Beck's 59 Les Paul. They switched to A5 for lighter string gauges (though that sounds dubious to me; I'd expect A5 just worked with more modern music demands.). But anyway, the 59s weren't originally A5, and they take mag swaps very well. Most every mag combination people have tried worked for various kinds of music and versatility.

A 59 can't be made to sound like a Seth Lover with just a mag swap. Just like putting an A5 in an A2P makes a Jazz, not a 59 model. Different coils sound different. The mag just tilts the frequency response of that particular coil combo.
 
First, play the pos pickup, so you know what it sounds like, then swap mags and notice what changes. That tells you a bit about what a different flavor of mag can do.

Did you read the page Tone Fiddler posted? The 59s were reportedly based on Jeff Beck's 59 Les Paul. They switched to A5 for lighter string gauges (though that sounds dubious to me; I'd expect A5 just worked with more modern music demands.). But anyway, the 59s weren't originally A5, and they take mag swaps very well. Most every mag combination people have tried worked for various kinds of music and versatility.

A 59 can't be made to sound like a Seth Lover with just a mag swap. Just like putting an A5 in an A2P makes a Jazz, not a 59 model. Different coils sound different. The mag just tilts the frequency response of that particular coil combo.

I'm aware that the wind, screws, baseplate, etc. will have an effect as well as the other parts. :) I just thought it would sound close enough to a Seth to not be worth the trouble of a mag swap when you can just get a Seth. And I also thought the 59 wind was in the ballpark and just needed help from an A2 to sound more vintage.

I would have assumed the first candidate for the A2P would have been a 59 before a Jazz since some people say a 59 sounds warmer and thicker than a Jazz. I don't remember the 59 sticking out in my mind in any way when I tried it out, which is why I thought an A2 might make it better.

9s and 10s have been the most common string gauges for standard tuning for decades. That's why the thing about the strings being too light--even in the 70s--seems odd to me.

Plus there's rough vs. smooth vs. polished magnets, oriented vs. unoriented, who makes the magnet, all the other components in the pickup. It's just more trouble than I care to mess with, especially when there are already so many preexisting pickup models out there that might sound largely the same wo me having to do the work myself. I feel like by customizing the pickup too much I might as well just be building my own.

Regarding a "pos" pickup, since tone is largely about taste, I doubt the quality is that much worse than a US made pickup. Rather, it is probably less shielded than a US made pickup, and it probably has two conductors instead of four. It might sound slightly harsh or muddy but some people may be fine with that.

The effect of the winding of the pos pickup, I think, would be difficult for me to separate from the effect of the magnet. And even if I practiced on a pos Acme pickup (thank you Clint 55 for putting "pos pickup" in my vocabulary :) ), there would still be the stressful first install on a name brand pickup.

And I also know largely what I want by now. It's mostly just trying stuff for the sake of trying it. I never knew EMGs could be improved upon until I heard Blackouts.

These days I tend to prefer Alnico V type PAF sounds of moderate output (say 12-15k) for rhythm sounds because of their clarity. Ceramics of a hotter variety get solos and melody work. A2s of a low to medium output usually get the neck position unless I want a bright JC120 type bright clean sound from the neck. Then I might go with something different.

I think I've posted this before but in my experience a Custom 5/Custom with Triple Shots is the most versatile pickup combo I've ever tried. It's the only time I can get a warm and a bright clean out of the same neck pickup, especially if I run it in parallel out of phase.
 
Also, sometimes things can be deceiving as far as a vintage neck pickup. When I tried Gibson 57 Classics I expected them to sound like an A2P but they sounded a bit honky, hollow, and mid heavy instead of warm and fluid. A 57+ in the neck served me well. I still have one there in my Hamer Scarab along with my 498t. I just wish the 57+ were 4 conductor.
 
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