advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

:laugh2: Wimps like SRV? :laugh2:

LOL ... yeah, same 5 bloody notes over and over again!!
*Dodges the barrage of rotten fruit thrown his way*

I'm kidding here, folks!! :wall:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

LOL ... yeah, same 5 bloody notes over and over again!!
*Dodges the barrage of rotten fruit thrown his way*

I'm kidding here, folks!! :wall:

Yep...knew that. :laugh2:

 

[Breogan]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

IMO the only reason for having a high output pickup it's to have a ballance output across the switch. Sometimes can be a pain to switch to the bridge and find yourself dead. Or that the amount of gain in your tone reduces...

 

[Guitar Toad]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

Did Tom Scholz use vintage output HB's in his Les Paul when recording Bostons debut album? Low output HB's with the tons of processing afterwards that he was famous for?

Meaning the his great guitar playing chops plus the tons of post-guitar guitar processing that he was famous for, produced his great sound on stuff like Smokin', not the pups.

 

[daCaT]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

I actually consider my ssl-1s to be a bit overwound. Mine are about 6.3 - 6.5! They sound big and full and great for blues in my rosewood fingerboard stratocaster. I also have a CS 56 reissue and the pups are about 5.7, true underwounds, and the tone is brighter, woodier and a bit sweeter. They have better articulation with pick attack and slight changes in the volume knob. They definatly punish poor technique, and with the wrong amp have the potential to get "ice picky".

I tend to prefer the controllability of getting the distortion from the amp. I have had my mesa boogie for 22 years now and it still sounds great. I havent used pedals for 15 years, but recently got a roger mayer spitfire and a picture wah and that has really opened up lots of new possibilites by driving the low output pups further.

Many of my favorite recordings were made with the relativly low output of the 66-72 stratocasters. Think Jimi, Gilmour, Trower etc.

 

[gripweed]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

Did Tom Scholz use vintage output HB's in his Les Paul when recording Bostons debut album? Low output HB's with the tons of processing afterwards that he was famous for?

Meaning the his great guitar playing chops plus the tons of post-guitar guitar processing that he was famous for, produced his great sound on stuff like Smokin', not the pups.

I remember reading somewhere that he used a with Paul p-90's on that album but didn't use it live because of noise issues...

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

I actually consider my ssl-1s to be a bit overwound. Mine are about 6.3 - 6.5!

The SSL-1 is a great compliment to the Screamin Demon, tho.

 

[Guitar Toad]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

Thanks for starting this thread Quencho92 and thanks to all the great contributors to it.

This is stuff that I learned kinda from the great contributions to the "Did SRV Actually Use..." thread. But, after that I still kept hammering the Pup Lounge for pickup suggestions for higher output SC's. Perhaps, this stuff will sink in and I'll stop obsessing over wanting high voltage pickups.

Thanks guys.
Remind me later that I said this! :laugh2:
No, it ain't me it's gotta be the bad pickups! :smack:

 

[Breogan]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

Did Tom Scholz use vintage output HB's in his Les Paul when recording Bostons debut album? Low output HB's with the tons of processing afterwards that he was famous for?

Meaning the his great guitar playing chops plus the tons of post-guitar guitar processing that he was famous for, produced his great sound on stuff like Smokin', not the pups.

Or remember Made in Japan album, Blackmore's guitar just fires up when soloing and it's a standard strat...

Sometimes people thinks the secret it's a overwound pup... I've read the secret of SRV was a hidden coil under the pickguard next to the bridge, he used it to create a kind of bridge humbucker made of two singles. Of course false... No tricks, just lot's of harmonics to give power to his tone. :burnout:

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

According to Cesar Diaz, so did SRV: he says the pickups in SRV's Strat were around 6K and any hotter started sounding muddy and pushed his amps to hard to get the clean tone SRV loved, what with his huge strings, E flat tuning and strong attack.

I have a set of Fralin True Vintage pickups in one of my Strats (like Lindy's Vintage Hots but underwound another 3%) and the neck and middle pickups are just under 6K. The tone is "prettier", less aggressive and more bell like than my Antiquity Surfer Strat pickups, though I love the Surfers in my other three Fenders just as much.

You forgot! :blackeye: :laugh2: I too have one of that underwound fralin vintage hots (5.80K - a neck model). Love it, and definitely agree with what you think of the surfers as well.

B :cool2:

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: advantages of low output pups? woodier tone?

What I find the is the pup type is contingent on the amp and guitar especially single coils. I couldn't have high outpup pups in my ES-330, However on my tele I like the oomph from the overwound bridge pup. My strat is all APS' and its as sweet as the day is long, the custom and hot sounded too brittle to me with the A5 mags. My Godin, I couldn't have vintage pups in it, and the 500k pots really helped give me chime.

I really thought a HO pup would be the way to go with my Heritage. I got the Jazz/JB set, only to find that the JB did not appeal to me in any way, shape, or form. In that guitar is sounded bright, compressed, and hard. So I sent it back and slapped the factory schaller in till my A2P came in. D!ck's Soloist sounds great with the JB in the bridge, I think a CC might would be better for my use but the JB works great still.

Like I said to my ears it is very guitar/player specific. A player with a light attack might want the extra mV going to the amp for a stronger sound.

Luke