Advice needed on fixing Crack in soundboard

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Alright, I'm adept at most aspects of solid body repairs, But I'm not well versed in Acoustic repair:boggled: This is a Samick Greg Bennett D-8 CE. It has a Ceder top, And would cost about $400 new. I woke up this morning and discovered the guitar like this.:wrf::argh: I imagine I'll have to brace it some how? Refinishing & covering the repair looks like it will be a B!tch. I would just as well sand the whole top to bare wood, Then spray some Nitro clear on it, But the Faux Abalone on the edge & rosette are not gonna Jive with that idea! Any tips, Or advise would be appreciated. Thanks.:nervous:
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Re: Advice needed on fixing Crack in soundboard

very slightly watered down titebond or hide glue - rubbed into the joint with your finger - you'l need to probably make a "cleat" to support it from the underside incase it pulls in future & wrecks it further (use a brace clamp or a chopped up inverted ratcher clamp [therefor a spreader] to force the cleat into place.

Beyond that, it's a finish repair - beandip is probably better off answering that one. - I expect you'l just have to continuouly drop fill it with nitro, & leave it to cure - it's gonna be a really annoyingly long process to build it up to height, let it harden properly before you can wet sand it.
 
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The biggest challenge to this repair seems to be the 1" dent that is going cross the grain. The dent is better than a 1/8th inch deep. So sanding it out isn't much of a option. Going cross grain will make it tricky to float a cedar splint in. I'm not willing to entertain the idea of opaque painting at this point.:thumbsdow
I've watched some tutorials on fixing cracks in the grain. Seems pretty straight forward , But this sucker was the victim of some blunt force. From what I've saw... It's NOT your garden variety sound board crack.:2:
 
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ah, ok - I must admitt i've only just woke up & the pictur elooked as if the finish had gone & the spruce itself wasnt too deeply damaged (just over a wide area)

that is rather awkward - you cant sand it to help "de-burr" it almost because the damage is deep - you cant fill it as is, because it's torn & burred.

I think you may be right in that this may be a case of finding some matching spruce.
 
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Alright, I'm adept at most aspects of solid body repairs, But I'm not well versed in Acoustic repair:boggled: This is a Samick Greg Bennett D-8 CE. It has a Ceder top, And would cost about $400 new. I woke up this morning and discovered the guitar like this.:wrf::argh: I imagine I'll have to brace it some how? Refinishing & covering the repair looks like it will be a B!tch. I would just as well sand the whole top to bare wood, Then spray some Nitro clear on it, But the Faux Abalone on the edge & rosette are not gonna Jive with that idea! Any tips, Or advise would be appreciated. Thanks.:nervous:
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Hey Ken, How you doing? I can't see the pics, at work and Photobucket is blocked, but

I have seen Cris do these repairs countless times. What he does is make little cleats that are glued on the inside of the top. The cleats are diamond shaped and very thin. The trick is to hold them in place until the glue drys. Stew Mac sells a tool for this. It is a guitar tuning machine that you place on the top. A guitar string is placed in the cleat, then fed through the crack, then into this tool. You tighten the string on the machine to hold the cleat tight. Once it is dry you can remove it and move on to the next one. Some people don't use this tool, they simply cut a block that is properly spaced from the top to the back. The cleat is glued in place and the brace is placed on the cleat and jammed against the back to keep pressure on the cleat until dry. But you might want to just check with him, he may be able to guide you better.

The main thing that is a concern is what is causing the top to crack. More then likely the humidity in your house has dried out some due to the drop in temperature here. Get yourself a dampit to keep in the body or the problem will just get worse. You want to try to keep the Humidity about 45 to 50% if possible. If the dampit is not going to work, get a room humidifier and keep it running to keep the humidity up. A lot of this will also be judged by the heat in the house. Forced hot air sucks a lot of humidity out of the air. Base board is better, but this is not something you can fix you just have to deal with it. I keep all my acoustics in the case and keep dampits in them, my electrics are stored in the cases also & I have a room humidifier for them.

Good luck with the repair.
 
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First things first, in order to fix the dent, from the looks of it, that crushed finish will have to go. I'm guessing since it's a Samick that it's poly. You're better off doing a finish repair with superglue than anything else.

Using an xacto knife with a number 11 blade, remove the crushed finish around the area. Clean it up as best you can, you don't want a dirty work space, ya know? You'll need to steam and swell the dent out, much like you would do on an electric using a soldering iron and damp rag. For time's sake, we'll assume you know what to do here.

Once you have the finish removed and a relatively level surface, it's time to get the crack to close. By pushing on it from both inside and out with light pressure, see which way the grain split, as this will tell you which way you need to open the crack to get glue in there. Grain very rarely (especially on cedar) splits exactly vertical, and is usually on the grain axis (tops are usually completely quatersawn to 75%, judging by the slight amount of silking you have on the top, you're probably at a 80 degree slant), and sometimes the only way to glue a crack due to this slant is from the underside.

For the sake of ease, we'll assume that the top split and will be accessible from the front of the guitar. Before we do any gluing, make yourself some cleats out of a similar wood. I prefer maple, as it's still very resonant but much stronger than the top wood. Some guys do triangles, diamonds, or rectangles. I prefer diamonds. There's no right way to do it, I just like the way they look. Frank Ford's site Frets.com has some great info there about cleats.

Decide where your cleats are going to go, and using a sewing needle, poke holes through the top for your line. Then, poke a hole through the center of each cleat. Using fishing line, tie a knot in one end, run it through the cleat, then run it through the hole. I like to put a little small wooden washer on the underside of the cleat, so I can pull the string and get even pressure all the way around. Use a very like coat of Tite Bond to glue them to the top. But not before you glue the crack shut, I skipped a step. Whoops.

Using Franklin's Tite Bond wood glue, mix it up 6/1 with purified water (yes, purified). It'll thin it a bit, but not so much that the glue looses strength. Push on the underside of the top to open up the crack, and work the glue in there as best as you can. Once you've done that, run your cleats. For something about that size, I'd say two.

After you're done gluing, using a bar clamp, run it from the treble bout to the bass bout and put pressure on the top.

After the glue's dry, prep your work area with the xacto knife and do a superglue drop fill. If I remember right, you do some finishing, so you know what you're going for there. You WILL have a ghost line, but if done correctly, it'll only show in certain light.
 
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As for why the top cracked, that doesn't look like humidity to me. That looks like impact damage. I guess you gotta have a talk with someone in your house, or perhaps you... you crazy sleep guitar breaking son of a ***** ;)
 
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As for why the top cracked, that doesn't look like humidity to me. That looks like impact damage. I guess you gotta have a talk with someone in your house, or perhaps you... you crazy sleep guitar breaking son of a ***** ;)

Thanks for the advise.:D And you are correct... It's most certainly IMPACT DAMAGE!:grumble: I have a 10 year old Autistic son. He's 5' 2" at around 175 Lbs. He's generally a sweet kid, But Autistic's are prone to melt downs . When he melts down... Things go flying, get kicked ,and knocked over.
 
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Thanks for the advise.:D And you are correct... It's most certainly IMPACT DAMAGE!:grumble: I have a 10 year old Autistic son. He's 5' 2" at around 175 Lbs. He's generally a sweet kid, But Autistic's are prone to melt downs . When he melts down... Things go flying, get kicked ,and knocked over.

Oh, I completely understand that. Kudo's to you keeping your cool when stuff like that goes down.

BTW: If you're interested, I'm still running my repair special for Lew's donation.
 
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BTW: If you're interested, I'm still running my repair special for Lew's donation.

Hey Bean: forget about me - you need to get yourself an electric guitar and amp.

BTW, AJ's into the trade we were discussing. We're working on it!

Lew
 
Re: Advice needed on fixing Crack in soundboard

clear finger nail polish ......a few coats over the spot ........my ex turned me on to that idea and it works
 
Re: Advice needed on fixing Crack in soundboard

clear finger nail polish ......a few coats over the spot ........my ex turned me on to that idea and it works

Most Clear nail polish (read the label) are Acrylic Lacquer ! It works O.K. for some small dings, But not for this application.;)
 
Re: Advice needed on fixing Crack in soundboard

For the future, don´t lend your guitars out to drug dealers, then you won´t have crack problems :D
 
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