Airy, mismatched HB coils

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So, why hasn't SD embraced mismatched HB coils? Does the slight imbalance cause too much noise for rockstars playing through cranked amps? He intentionally chose not to go down the mismatched wind count route. I want to know why.

what would you expect from mismatched coils plus scatterwound coils?
 
Mismatched coils is one of the many tools you can use making a pickup to get a sound you want. There are many other ways to get a similar effect to mismatched coils that don't involve having to design twice as many coils and introduce noise into the circuit. SD just decided to take a different route to get to the destination they want.

Scatterwinding adds higher frequencies and mismatching reduces the midrange. This goal can also be roughly achieved through the use of an A5 magnet. There are, however, some qualities of comb filtering that only mismatched coils can produce though.
 
Scatterwinding increases the highs. The effect is less pronounced as you add more turns of wire to the bobbin. The effect is really only noticeable on low wind pickups
 
Scatterwinding increases the highs. The effect is less pronounced as you add more turns of wire to the bobbin. The effect is really only noticeable on low wind pickups

Gotcha. I guess there are other ways to do that, too.
 
You have to just get hip and make your own. Get a 59 set and swap the neck and bridge coils for 1 model with a mismatch, or hybrid 2 different pickups.
 
The most obvious response is that they don't have to.
But they do have a mismatched coil pickup with the C/59 hybrid....

And why are you asking here, where its clear there are no SD employees. Surely you'd understand the simple point that we don't know any more about the internal business workings than you do.
 
There are several different kinds of mismatch, too.
There's coil offset, where one bobbin is wound slightly heavier.
Then there's actually using different gauges of wire, or even different types of coating.
Some go even further, like having a blade on one side and a standard arrangement on the other.

Fuglybucker might be weird looking but it's a really cool design.
 
I have a few Custom Shop pickups that were made for ESP's Limited Exhibition series. They include a JB/59 hybrid, a JB/Custom hybrid, and a 59/Jazz hybrid. Unfortunately, I haven't tried out any of them in my own guitars, ha ha!

I'm not really sure why SD hasn't embraced the hybrids more on the production level, but I'm sure it ultimately has to do with tradition and ease of manufacturing. Plus, their catalog is downright huge...they make a LOT of pickups, so they probably assume most needs are already covered.
 
I've always thought it was because Duncan tries to cover as much ground with as few models as they can to keep things easy to track for the casual pickup swapper. Adding hybrids just blurs lines and adds confusion
 
We've had tons of hybrid coil discussions here. It isn't difficult to make your own, either. I understand to do any kind of large scale manufacturing and marketing, you have to paint in very broad strokes. For those who want something very specific, there is the Custom Shop. There are already a lot of options.
 
There's an easy way to get unbalanced coils: spin-a-split, which is wiring a tone control as a second volume control, but for one coil only. I use that on neck HB's to add treble & bite, and reduce mids. Very useful. FAR better than coil split.

It's simple to convert a single lead HB to a multi-lead, and it doesn't require 4-lead wire. There's a connection between the coils, of a wire from each coil. Peel back the tape and you can see that connection. Solder a shielded wire to that and and run it down to the control cavity. In the Duncan color code it's the red & white wires. Technically you need 3 leads not 4, as the red & white are paired up, and that's what this added wire is.

To make hybrid neck pickups, I combine a bridge & neck PAF coil, around 1K difference in resistance between them. I use a warm magnet (A2 or UOA5) for sonic texture and still get sharp a high end and thinned mids. Bridge hybrids take a bigger difference in resistance, but the extreme of the '59/Custom hybrid isn't needed (7K vs 4.2K) to hear the unbalanced coils. The 'humbucker effect' adds volume & midrange, and reduces high end and clarity, so as the difference between coils increases there's less humbucker effect, and the pickup gets brighter & thinner, closer to a single coil sound.

I don't see any point in pairing up coils of similar resistance (like two PAF neck coils) as we don't have any idea of the differences or similarities in their windings, and you're likely to get little if any audible change in the pickup.
 
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Lots of great replies. The brobucker is mismatched so there must be some "preference".

I ask because Gibson still do it. I guess the custom shop can make more "authentic" Seth's, dare I say? guaranteed every vintage PAF was mismatched.
 
that's an interesting topic.

Easy answer: Duncan likes to reuse existing coils for different models even (APH-1/SH-2 + SH10n; SH-5/SH-11/SH-14/SH-10 and maybe evenmore SH-8/SH6???).
So having different coils for just one Pickup is quite a stretch.

I got quite a few SH-1s, so i could try it.
Who wants a brighter, more scooped SH-1 59 (or SH-2 Jazz)??? :D
 
Lots of great replies. The brobucker is mismatched so there must be some "preference".

I ask because Gibson still do it. I guess the custom shop can make more "authentic" Seth's, dare I say? guaranteed every vintage PAF was mismatched.

the brobucker is mismatched because we asked for it to be. thats also about as much [NODE="42"]A5 antiquity & Custom Timbucker neck[/NODE] wire as you can put on a bobbin so it helps with clarity.

seths design was for symmetrically wound bobbins. it was manual control and wonky machines that became more inconsistent over time with wear, and random coil selection that contributed to the mismatched pups
 
My two favorite pickups have mismatched coils - Bare Knuckle Rebel Yell and Cold Sweat. Specifically in thicker, more midrangey guitars that need a little extra snap. I know I yammer on about them sometimes but they're both great pickups for more aggressive music, if you're a hard picker. The high end detail and comparative lack of compression is what sets them apart for me. It's easier to really drive my amp and get a lot of good natural crunch while still keeping the beginning of each note intact. "Clarity under gain", etc. I made a cool hybrid out of a JB and a BKP Brute Force recently, with a ceramic magnet, and I wouldn't call it "airy" - maybe more jangly and grindy - but it has the same lack of compression, and it rewards digging in.

I have to disagree with Chistopher about the effect of scatterwinding only being evident in low-wind pickups. The extra openness in the top end comes through even with higher windings and symmetrical coils. I'm a fan, I find that scatterwound pickups are more fun to play through, somehow less fatiguing to listen to.

There's also the "tuned aperture" winding that Elysian Pickups uses. The wind is wider at one end of the bobbin and tapers down towards the other - asymmetrical from bass to treble. I don't have a pickup that's exactly the same except for that bobbin shape to do an apples to apples comparison, but I can say that the Elysian set I have is remarkably clear-sounding.

I think hearing any of this will also come down to the rig you're using. Some amps and pedals and so forth don't bring out the nuances or don't respond to them in the same way. My main head distorts in a really nice way when it gets hit with a high mid spike, so I tend to go for spikier pickups. Sometimes I will dial in an extra high mid boost with an EQ pedal or HX Effects if a guitar is almost there. I like brighter pickups in darker guitars. All of this pushes me into the asymmetrical/handwound/scatterwound camp more often than not.
 
Yeah, I'd also think there would be phase cancellation from having two coils radically differently voiced, no?
 
Lots of great replies. The brobucker is mismatched so there must be some "preference".

I ask because Gibson still do it. I guess the custom shop can make more "authentic" Seth's, dare I say? guaranteed every vintage PAF was mismatched.

Gibson doesn't make any pickups with any meaningful amount of coil mismatch. Just +/- a hundred turns or so
 
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