Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

I shouldn't have to buy a new amp just to use a pickup. I'll just spend $60 and get a new pickup (or I'd have started with SD which has a lovely 21 return policy :D). I can afford $60 to polish a turd. I can't afford a $2000 tube amp, nor do I have the room for it.

This. When Ebay was just a baby and you could still find used 2Cs in a local shop, the average price was under $1K. No one used these except Jazz/Fusion players (Santana cited it as one of his favorites in the late 80s), but "everyone" wanted a Marshall for those be-all/end-all Brown Sounds and AC-DC/Iron Maiden/Judas Priest/Black Sabbath tones, because the 2C's distortion channel was useless for Heavy Metal, because it didn't sound like a Marshall. The general consensus was "if you want to sound like Santana, then yeah, get a Mesa."

Once Hetfield mentioned in a popular guitar magazine that Puppets was recorded with a 2C, prices doubled overnight, then tripled, and now you can't touch a functioning original 80s 2C for under $2500 unless it comes from someone who just doesn't know, and they always get the "Metallica" tag for emphasis. Most people who have one for sale know what it is, or they find some do-gooder that tells them about the Metallica link if they don't already know.

So no, I did not play any EMGs through an overpriced used vintage amp, and I have no intention of doing so until prices drop back down to the plane of reality. It's not a better amp than it ever was simply because Metallica used it. It's still the same old amp when no one but Carlos Santana used the distortion channel.
 
Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

Once Hetfield mentioned in a popular guitar magazine that Puppets was recorded with a 2C, prices doubled overnight, then tripled, and now you can't touch a functioning original 80s 2C for under $2500 unless it comes from someone who just doesn't know

Not quite though... 2C+'s yes are sky high in price, MK2C's are not so bad but arent so easy to find. Most 2C+s you run into anymore are 2c's converted and they command lower prices than original C+'s do. But that little tiny + on the back makes all the difference in the world when it comes to the price.

In particular C's dont sell very good when they are missing the graphic EQ and are 60 watt versions. But at the end of the day its pretty simple C's dont have the guts for metallica tone and leave most rockers disappointed.
 
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Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

That's why I dropped the "+". Unless you're talking vintage Fusion tones, the only 2C worth mentioning is the 2C+. It's one less character to type, which makes the post more aerodynamic and saves me tons of time=money, and cuts down on load times, and conserves energy, and saves whales and spotted owls and frees political prisoners, ergo the "+" is assumed.
 
Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

Love the 81 in the neck. By far my favorite neck pickup for high-gain liquid leads without any mud. Haven't found a passive that gets me anything remotely similar.

Love the 81 in the bridge as well, but I'm digging the JB for a nastier more 90's metal tone nowadays.
 
Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

The JB neck is EXCELLENT. I had one with a Breed bridge and man was that a fun combo.

So, in the spirit of absolutes that the OP established, what do we make of the EMG 57/66 set then?
Marty Friedman is the latest to endorse them.
 
Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

Have you tried a JB in the neck?
Me? Nope. Been wanting to. Figured I could also try an Alnico 3 magnet in the neck position if I thought the neck JB was too fat and hot, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
 
Re: Defence of the holy EMG 81! (My experiences)

I have 4 guitars with the mighty EMG 81, King of Thrash Pickups, at the bridge. :firing: I like to add the EMG SPC mid boost to Strat style axes to flesh out the tones at certain times, usually only 1/4 turn for rhythm and up to 3/4 for leads. LPs don't really need it, however.

My primary setup is a Boogie MkIII Simul-Class with two of the original Mark series metal grill 4x12s. The 81 sounds godly through it with no outboard effects at all, just a noise gate and the slightest amount of reverb to give dimension. I also have the 85 in one of my Charvels, which is a better overall pickup, but when you want the maximum unstoppable Panzer rhythm attack, the 81 stands alone. There are good reasons why it is the foundation of the active pickup cult! The 85 clearly beats the 81s for leads (more body) and anything less than tones set to "Kill". The MkIV isn't quite as brutal as the III, but still godly for the 81.

When I use my JVM (and the same two Mesa cabs), I use a MXR 10 band EQ to add more low end and mid range. Properly cranked on the 800ish OD1, it IS the sound of Slayer, my favorite crunch sound of all time! However, the Boogie MkIII is hands down my favorite lead amp, so it usually gets the nod.

The 81 also does extremely well with the modern Black Star sound.

It's important to recognize the 81's strengths and exploit them. I have enough guitars to be able to specialize them to a high degree and switch them out depending on my mood. If I didn't, I'd pick the 85 for the bridge.
 
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