Alder with Maple cap?

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i built a guitar a bunch of years ago with a heavily chambered alder body and 5/16" maple top (was 3/8" but figure i lost a little in sanding and such). string through hard tail bridge. maple/ebony neck. two buckers. its not overly bright at all. isnt as thick in the low mids as some other guitars i have but it sounds great
 
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The alder body maple top is also used for the carved top Jazzmaster that Fender has more recently added to the lineup
 
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Yeah, it's like looking at race cars

Listening to a recording = Audience looking at race cars... they all fast. They can't tell you how differently a Mustang handles vs a Camaro.
Playing the guitar itself = Driving the race car. Only YOU the driver can tell how the car handles and responds when you turn that wheel or floor that pedal. Your performance is indeed affected by how the car drives to you.

There's no mythbusting here, just pointing out the difference between a recorded guitar tone or how it's perceived by the audience vs the tone in the room when you're playing and hearing it live yourself.

Every guitar I own plays and sounds uniquely different when I play them, and that's what I love about them. You always hear a the natural acoustic tone of the guitar when you're sitting there playing it through your amp, and I like that. It's the reason why I never practice or write using headphones + software plugins: I never feel inspired by that rather dry processed sound, it feels one dimensional. Nothing inspires like plugging into a nice amp, crank it, and let it rip next to you.

Different guitars simply inspire me to play differently on each. This is certainly true for me, as I have a few guitars that are nearly identical in specs, but I always play hard rock on one of them, and always feel like playing Beatles on the other. Why is that? No clue, it just happens for me.

But that's not necessarily true for everyone out there. I know players who feel the same way as I do, but I also know players who feel equally inspired and don't care much for the subtle differences in the guitars regardless of what guitar they're playing, as long as they're in a general ball park of style/design, and they only own guitars of that one type too.

I fall into the latter category. I really only like bright, single coilly guitars and I'm just as content with any of my strats or my firebird. I don't have a special super-inspirational number one. I don't even play through a high-end amp when I'm writing or practicing. Tone doesn't inspire me to write any differently. I can write and not even be in the same room as my guitars.
 
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Have you bothered to read the specs on that......chambered body and carved top.
 
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If it is a nice piece of wood, just make up any EQ difference with amp settings or tone knobs. You won't be able to compare it to the same body without the top, so if you like the way it looks, I say go for it.
 
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Let's put it this way, easy and simple.

Maple is the sriracha of the guitar industry: it's good on EVERYTHING, even absolutely great pure on its own. It might not be 100% to your liking on its own, fine, but with other stuff, it's great. A little bit goes a long way, more is often better.
 
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I think maple, as a tone wood, gives a very pure sound. Pure will mean something different to everyone, but to me it's a sound quality.

You'll see maple used for the neck, back and sides in every violin, viola, cello or upright bass.

Some violin makers refer to it as being "the king of woods".

Of course, rock n rollers are not looking for a pure sound. They're looking for a raw, distorted, rebellious sound.

So a solid body guitar made entirely of maple would seem kind of bright and bland. Does to me anyway.
 
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If it is a nice piece of wood, just make up any EQ difference with amp settings or tone knobs. You won't be able to compare it to the same body without the top, so if you like the way it looks, I say go for it.

Ding ding we have a winner. Please tell me that the tone controls on your amp are not the only tone-shaping devices in your signal chain...
 
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I think maple, as a tone wood, gives a very pure sound. Pure will mean something different to everyone, but to me it's a sound quality.

You'll see maple used for the neck, back and sides in every violin, viola, cello or upright bass.

Some violin makers refer to it as being "the king of woods".

Of course, rock n rollers are not looking for a pure sound. They're looking for a raw, distorted, rebellious sound.

So a solid body guitar made entirely of maple would seem kind of bright and bland. Does to me anyway.

have you ever tried a full maple guitar? Electric, solidbody? I have. I've got two. As a luthier and guitar maniac, I'm telling you: it's epic. A solid body functions so radically different from a acoustic. mahogany in an electric yields a warm, fat, smooth tone but in an acoustic it's bright and punchy. Maple, for example, has an articulate tone with a lot of overtones but with a strong emphasis on the upper mids and treble in an acoustic. in an electric, it's strong, crunchy, powerful with a LOT of bass, crunchy mids and a singing high end.

try it once. Never heard anybody not like it.

And yeah, it's because of the thickness. as a thin(ner) top (on a les paul) it will add treble and brightness.
 
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have you ever tried a full maple guitar? Electric, solidbody? I have. I've got two. As a luthier and guitar maniac, I'm telling you: it's epic. A solid body functions so radically different from a acoustic. mahogany in an electric yields a warm, fat, smooth tone but in an acoustic it's bright and punchy. Maple, for example, has an articulate tone with a lot of overtones but with a strong emphasis on the upper mids and treble in an acoustic. in an electric, it's strong, crunchy, powerful with a LOT of bass, crunchy mids and a singing high end.

try it once. Never heard anybody not like it.

And yeah, it's because of the thickness. as a thin(ner) top (on a les paul) it will add treble and brightness.

I have. I've played a few. I didn't like them at the time.

Gotta mix some mahogany and rosewood in there to warm it up.

I'm thinking especially of the Gibson L6 like Santana used to play. For a guy who's known for having a fat and warm tone, I never understood what he saw in that guitar.

I might feel different today. It's been at least 40 years since I tried one.

Maple necked Fenders? Fine with an ash or alder body.

Maple topped Les Paul's or PRS? Also fine with a mahogany neck and body.

But a 100% maple guitar sounds kind of one dimensional to me. Lacks complexity.
 
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I know Jake is probably talking about possibly getting either Flamed or Quilted Maple. I have one of each I'll try and post a pic of. They can look really nice.But I've always wanted a Spalted or a Burled Maple top too!;

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heres an Alder/ Quilt Maple thats coming together right now, over me ..schcttt dddddt;


( Body is overly orangey to me, but I got it used for a ridiculous price.)
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Ding ding we have a winner. Please tell me that the tone controls on your amp are not the only tone-shaping devices in your signal chain...

Just be aware that practically any eq in a guitar rig situation is like trying brain surgery with a sledgehammer. (the notable exception is BFG's eq that he uses live to replicate Pearly).
 
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I have two maple-capped alder body guitars. They are my Ibanez GR-520 Ghostriders. These are from 1994, MIK by Samick. I just love these guitars, light weight and great tone. They are in LP territory tonally, but I have Pauls that are brighter, some about the same, and some a little darker.

I try not to worry too much about all the minutia of guitar construction...it can drive a person crazy. I'm more concerned about net results; if it sounds good, it is good.

I have several, er...many, G&L Legacys; some alder, some ash; some with rosewood boards and maple and ebony too. There is EXACTLY ONE song in my band's repertoire that makes me want to choose one wood over the other. In this particular song I try to get as close as I can to an acoustic guitar tone in the intro of the song. For this ONE song, I prefer using one of my alder-bodied Legacys, as the alder HAS a more open, natural, less compressed, resonant tone. The alder has a more focused, "pointier", and compressed tone. They both sound good, and for 99% of the songs I play where I want a Legacy (Strat) tone, the ash versus alder difference is insignificant to me.

If you like the idea of a figured maple top, go for it.

Bill
 
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