American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

[BOONIERAT]

I have a MusicMan 212HD 130 that has been brought back from the dead. I would say it is "voiced" simular to a Fender Twin, but not quit. The speakers that are in it are Emi Texas Heats which I like alot.
But doing some thinking this weekend and wondering what would happen if (read: sound like) if I made an 4x12 extension cab for it and loaded it with say...an X pattern of G12H and maybe V30s?
Do American Amps/speakers and British vocied speakers get along? I was thinking the combination of the Texas Heats with the G12h/v30 cab might make for killer sound. Or, would the speakers compete with each other and it sound like mush?

 

[jeremy]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

i think it would work just fine

 

[BOONIERAT]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Thanks jeremy.
I was hoping that might work. Don't hear too much about people putting "British" type speakers in a Fender sounding amp, but the extension speakers might be just the ticket to "expand" the tone/sound.

 

[More-Gear-Than-Skill]

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No rules there! Just expensive loading up that cab!

Beware though that loading a cab with speakers of vastly different efficiencies, cone-travel, diameter, EQ curves etc....might induce some unexpected cancellations/peaks. But that's in extreme cases though.

 

[BOONIERAT]

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I was thinking about trying the MOJO speakers. When ScottF was looking at my amp, we were going to try them, but after realizing the 130watts, we decided against it and put the Emi Texas Heats in there. Might go with EMIs again, just depends. Brain storming right now, looking for my sound and using different combinations (amp w/ THs and G12H/V30, Amp and THs alone/ Amp unplugged THs and use just the G12h/v30. extention cab) to get different colors of sound.
You guys are a wealth a info and I know the combined knowledge on here will keep us "less informed" from making too many bad decisions.

 

[jeremy]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

ive often put celestions in my fender amps with great results

 

[BOONIERAT]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Thanks for the feed back.
jeremy; what type of celestions did you use?
More-gear-than-skill: Your right 4X12 might be over kill and more exspensive. Maybe 2x12 cab+2x12 combo=4 speakers.
That would probably be more than enough.

 

[jeremy]

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ive used a g12h and an alnico blue in a deluxe reverb, a pair of v30's in a twin reverb which i switched to a v30 and g12h, then those same speaker sets in a red knob twin, a pair of vintage 10's in a vibrolux, a red fang (eminence but british voiced) in my celtic 5e3, a mojo bv12 (copy of g12h) in my celtic 5e7, a g12m greenback in my blues jr

im sure there were others but you get the idea

 

[BOONIERAT]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Hooah!

 

[drew_half_empty]

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i run my bassman into emi wizards which are 75 watt g12h30's

sounds friggin awesome

 

[aleclee]

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IMO, not all Celestions sound particuarly British.

 

[More-Gear-Than-Skill]

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Yeah a nice 2x12 will kick! Especially if your combo is open back, and the cab is sealed. One for punch, one for filling the room...

 

[BOONIERAT]

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The MusicMan is open back. Didn't even think about the closed back thing for the ext cab.
I also remember a thread a while back concerning the differences of front or back mounting the speakers to the cabinet. Can't find it, so can anyone refresh this topic and explain the differences and what to expect from going with one or the other?
That's what I like about this forum, keeping everyone informed.

 

[jeremy]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Yeah a nice 2x12 will kick! Especially if your combo is open back, and the cab is sealed. One for punch, one for filling the room...

i run basically all open back combos and if i need more punch i use a 2x12 closed back cab. works great

 

[BOONIERAT]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Sounds like a plan and a good project.

What kind of wood would be the best for a closed back cab?

 

[More-Gear-Than-Skill]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Sounds like a plan and a good project.

What kind of wood would be the best for a closed back cab?

Check this thread out, the info grows as you go deeper...

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=99689

 

[BOONIERAT]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Thanks for the link! That will help alot.

Out of curiosity, is there a thread that explains what make an amp sound "American" vs "British"? I would like to check that out.

Thanks for everyone input.

 

[Gr8Scott]

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To me the most important ingredient for the "british sound" is the speakers. Without the right speakers, it's just not british. The right amp is important, but the speakers make the biggest difference. This is why JTM-45 is such a cool amp. It's a slightly tweaked Fender bassman. Crank it enough and it will get marshall sounds nicely though and that's primarily the speakers talking at that point. Of course, the KT-66 tubes make a difference too in that case, but less than you would expect.

 

[BOONIERAT]

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Thanks Gr8Scott.
So in theory: if I keep my MM with the Emi Texas Heats, load a cabinet with G12H/V30 or their EMI/MOJO equivilant and seperate them by distance (>10'), it should give me two distinct colors of sound? Or is this reaching?

 

[Gr8Scott]

Re: American "voiced" amp, with British "voiced" extension cab???

Skip the Mojo and get an Emi Wizard with the V30. Higher wattage rating of the wizard will allow you to run the amp directly into that cab alone as well. More possible variation that way.

Is the MM head a tube output amp or is it a hybrid SS output and tube input?